# 7 days during first year or 14 days during first two years? **URL:** \ **Category:** Portugal Golden Visa\ **Tags:** portugal\ **Created:** [April 15, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676 "2023-04-15T23:22:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon0066e7240086a118)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/1 "2023-04-15T23:22:29Z")
> [@Portugal Golden Visa - The New Law of 2023](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/the-end-of-portugals-golden-visa-for-real-this-time/56070/929): > > Yes, this is confusing however it is not something which comes with the proposed law. The current regulation is also the same. When I received my first card about a month ago my lawyer advised me to spend 7 days during the first year of the card although the card is valid for two years. When I asked whether I can do 14 days within 2 years instead, they told me that although SEF started issuing the first card for two years during the pandemic, the legislation pertaining to the minimum stay requi… If these regulations are taken literally this would mean the stay requirements are completely out of sync with the card validities. E.g. you could show up to renew your 2 year card having stayed only 7 days and say you’ll stay 14 days in the 3rd year per the regulations! Has anyone actually been denied renewal for spending 14 days during their first card’s 2 year validity but NOT 7 days during the 1st year of that? ---
**Author:** ![ohbee](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/977dab/32.png) [@ohbee](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/ohbee)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/2 "2023-04-15T23:44:20Z")
Our plan is to just spend 10 days a year in PT. ---
**Author:** ![rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/rj2002cc)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/3 "2023-04-17T16:17:26Z")
Our lawyer has indicated we should not have an issue, despite the fact we will not have been in Portugal for 7 days during our first year. Our Timeline: October 2020 - Application submitted March 2021 - Preapproval March 2022 - Biometrics (Faro) May 2022 - Final Approval / Titulo de Residencia issued (2 year validity) We had previously been advised that the stay requirement was 14 days anytime within the first two years. Our lawyer continues to advise that because we were fully approved almost a year ago, we will be OK with a minimum of 14 days anytime within our first two years. ---
**Author:** ![garrett](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@garrett](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/garrett)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 4:37pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/4 "2023-04-17T16:37:17Z")
I’m not sure I’d trust that, personally. Sure, maybe they’re right, but are you gonna risk this whole thing over an extra week in portugal? ---
**Author:** ![rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/rj2002cc)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2023, 4:42pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/5 "2023-04-17T16:42:22Z")
Our one year is up during the first week of May. On such short notice we can’t make it in time. We will rely on our lawyers at [Prime Legal](https://nomadgate.com/go/prime-legal?source=forum) and trust that they know what they are talking about. edit: Believe me, it there was time, we’d be there before the one year elapses. And it is not an ‘extra week’ situation. We still plan to be in country 14 days (at a minimum) within the first two years. ---
**Author:** ![rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/rj2002cc)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/7 "2023-04-20T14:36:13Z")
> [@anon0066e7240086a118](#): > > Would be nice if there were a way to get a definitive legal opinion on this before wasting money on emergency travel. Have you run this “first year” question by your lawyers? I’d be interested to learn what they are advising their clients. ---
**Author:** ![anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon0066e7240086a118)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/8 "2023-04-20T17:10:01Z")
> [@rj2002cc](#): > > Have you run this “first year” question by your lawyers? I’d be interested to learn what they are advising their clients. My lawyers said it is “advisable” to spend the 7 days in the first year, but also that they have seen clients getting renewals approved without that, e.g. with 14 days in the 2nd year. What’s possibly going on is that while the regulations (which have not been updated after the initial permit was changed from 1 year to 2 years) are clear that 7 days in the first year is required, SEF is being lenient on the understanding that those regulations are outdated? ---
**Author:** ![anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon0066e7240086a118)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/9 "2023-04-27T17:43:00Z")
> [@rj2002cc](#): > > Our one year is up during the first week of May. On such short notice we can’t make it in time. We will rely on our lawyers at [Prime Legal](https://nomadgate.com/go/prime-legal?source=forum) and trust that they know what they are talking about. > > edit: Believe me, it there was time, we’d be there before the one year elapses. And it is not an ‘extra week’ situation. We still plan to be in country 14 days (at a minimum) within the first two years. Our timeline is similar. I floated the idea of a last minute one-week trip to my spouse but the idea is too stressful for them so we will just be doing 14 days during the 2 years instead. I think my spouse would be willing to deal with it if we knew it was 100% necessary but I told them what the lawyers said and they said I’m just paranoid, thinking that even though nobody else has been denied over this, I would be the first 😛 Hopefully SEF (or their replacement) is lenient but if not while the GV would certainly be a nice-to-have, it’s not worth the cost of excessive marital stress 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ohbee](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/977dab/32.png) [@ohbee](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/ohbee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/10 "2023-04-28T14:35:59Z")
The marital stress of a vacation to Portugal! ---
**Author:** ![anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/8e8cbc/32.png) [@anon0066e7240086a118](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon0066e7240086a118)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/11 "2023-04-28T15:49:27Z")
You ever tried planning a trip last minute with kids? 😂 our lawyer did previously advise that 14 days anytime in the 1st 2 years are fine. If they’d said it has to be 7 in the first year, we would have had plenty of time to plan a real family vacation to PT in the first year. The other difficult part is we never added my spouse to the GV because their home country doesn’t allow dual citizenship, so they’re not interested in a PT passport for themselves. So rushing over now would mean a very short “vacation” for me (and maybe one kid) to fulfill my residence requirement, while my spouse is stuck at home with the other kid, during a time of year where work pressures at their job are high. Stressful indeed! ---
**Author:** ![s\_kates81](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@s\_kates81](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/s_kates81)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 4:09am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/12 "2023-09-26T04:09:38Z")
Hi Guys, I read that the requirement to stay in Portugal on GV is 14 days in 2 years. Does it mean that you have to visit Portugal every year for 7 days, or it could be a single visit of 14 days once every 2 years? ---
**Author:** ![anonymous91](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c4cdca/32.png) [@anonymous91](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous91)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 11:27pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/13 "2025-01-07T23:27:01Z")
Hi - how did this work out? Did your lawyers turn out to be right? Ie were you able to renew the visa even though you didn’t spend 7 days in Portugal in the first year? Have others had experience of this? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2025, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/14 "2025-01-07T23:42:13Z")
> [@anonymous91](#): > > were you able to renew the visa even though you didn’t spend 7 days in Portugal in the first year? Over the last few years AIMA offered “automatic online renewal” as a solution to the backlog where you requested renewal **without** supplying any documentation like proof of stay. I was able to renew this way with only 14 days in the 2nd year. Possibly, I could have renewed without visiting PT at all because I don’t know if during “automatic online renewal” they checked such things. However going forward if AIMA manages to clear the backlog, I assume they will discontinue “automatic online renewal”. So to be careful, when I got my renewed 3 year card, I already spent 7 (actually 8) full days in the first year. ---
**Author:** ![rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@rj2002cc](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/rj2002cc)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2025, 3:13am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/7-days-during-first-year-or-14-days-during-first-two-years/57676/15 "2025-01-08T03:13:14Z")
I was able to renew online, with no proof of stay required. My renewed card is valid for three years. I now have a rental apartment in Lisbon and am spending more than enough time each year to meet future stay requirements.