There was a one off 127xxx on Citizcheck in Nov, a 113 taken to active this month on Citizcheck and the stage 4 I think was on Forum Cidadania.
I do not know that there are 3 teams but given the lawsuits from forgotten or misplaced people it is what I would do which is consonant with all sorts or years and numbers suddenly becoming active.
For those who applied recently online through a lawyer , how long did it take to get process number and how and when you get to know which city or office it gets assigned to ?
Well here we are again. We have seen numerous October 2023 approvals but November is yet to start. For some reason kicking off a new month has been taking some time for a while. In fact, since last September, only in every 3 months we see the next month getting processed, previously there was the usual pace of in one month, you would see a month worth processing.
For Porto, there is already a backlog of 28-29 months (and this is the ideal condition - no falta (missing document request), no transfer, no unnecessary delays) If the current pace continues, a new online application to Porto will take ages; 28 + 28 x3 = 112 months… which is more than 9 years, this is not normal by any standards.. There needs to be reel action happening.
We will see what we will see. But at least the Portuguese are not rounding up and jugging people.
Do remember that orig docs said after 5 years we would be ‘eligible’ to apply. And we have applied. Nothing more was promised by the state.
Yes those now facing 10 years have a complaint BUT they can stay in Portugal without ICE agents tossing them on the sidewalk.
This was never a contract for payment. Had it been it would hve faced the same issues that Malta did.
I had read they had hired more staff to process nationalities, no?
Looks like it and looks there is some sort of work from home/bonus system as people are getting nationality emails on Sundays. They also appear to be better organized.
Citiz (and this could be because more people have joined Citiz) shos more people processed in three weeks than in any (full) month before.
I think one should be able to point out problems or unusual slowing down of how something was happening previously as long as this is done in a civilized, fact based constructive manner.
With the current backlog and processing speed the system is now approaching a point where a new application might be pending over 5+ years - which is far from normal by any standard. One can do the math as I did above.
and the response to that shouldn’t be “hush, hush”
Clearly before the discussions of nationality law, the process was way faster and since the nationality law discussion started there is a noticeable slowing down. This is the very reason why a thread like this one is created.
Every problem started from the day that the government decided to change nationality law and also foreign law. So, I think the delay was instigated by some powerful people in the government (probably from the right wing). This is not staff or administrative issue because that can be created by moving people around and changing responsibilities.
If it takes longer than 2 years then my GV titulo de Residencia expires. Will I have to pay another €3000+ just to wait? Maybe I’m missing something here. Is there a hack?
The only hack is if you invested in real estate, you might get a cheaper renewal.
Otherwise switching to GV PR is more expensive initially, but cheaper annually if you expect you’ll need your permit to last 5 years.
I did invest in real estate in 2015. That is the basis for my GV residence permit. How can that lead to cheaper renewals. Am I thinking about the wrong renewal? I don’t want the PR because you have to live there full time and, technically I believe, you have to become a tax resident.
Because the Mais Habitação law ended real estate GVs when you renew you will be converted to a D2 (entrepreneur) permit, but still with the low 7 day stay requirement.
This happened when I renewed in 2024 and it cost a couple hundred and the new permit is good for 3 years.
There are two types of PR, normal PR which you describe, and GV PR which costs more but has reduced stay requirements like GV.
Thank you very much. How much does it cost to convert to D2?
It’s automatic. You try to renew and they give you the special D2 (7 days requirement) instead. The renewal fee was a couple hundred euros for me.
OK Thanks for that. I’ll just hope that works the same for me.
Craig
The RE GV renews at €181.50 for temp residence.
Hi
Have been following your posts. Very informative.Thank you.
I am in a bit of a pickle regarding my 18 yo child.
Would like to know if you and your family reside in Portugal. We live in India and was wondering if my child can renew the GV, while living in India, independently once I become a citizen. Also does he need to fulfil 7 days per year condition.
Thanks in advance
I’ve set up a Reddit group to track Portuguese citizenship application timelines by conservatória/IRN.
The main reason is that right now everyone is trying to piece things together from scattered forum posts, screenshots and WhatsApp messages, and it’s hard for us to see patterns clearly.
If enough people post their timelines, we should be able to build a much clearer picture of:
Another benefit is that the data will be in a format people can search, organise, and potentially scrape/analyse with AI tools later, instead of everything living in closed trackers or buried in long threads.
If anyone wants to contribute their timeline, here’s the group:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PT_Naturalisation/
I thought it might help all of us get a more realistic picture of what’s happening.
Best of luck everyone! We’re in it together 
May I ask how you are finding out the numbers of people and the months that each city are processing? I have been stalled for months in a D7 process and my city is Braga. Any links to the data would be helpful.
Hi - I only track citizenship. Visas are a black box. Sorry.