@richn4 can I ask how much you ended up paying for the lawsuit with Caiado Guerreiro? Thanks!
Citing an address belonging to a distant relativeā¦gee, I wonder what you were trying to imply to the court with that one! 
If the government is not even honest to follow its own timeline, then why the hell do I have to be honest with its corrupted court? Portuguese Govt is the one who cheated first. The investors should try all possibilities to reduce the waiting time. Asking someoneās address is completely wrong and court is trying to take this issue to a different direction. If they want to play dirty with me, I am 100% willing to counter-play with an equal level of dirtiness.
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Oh look. Keep it pleasant and constructive on here please. We know your summons was unsuccessful and you may have residual bad feelings against people who were successful but you should be using this forum to learn because nothing stops you issuing a new summons with new lawyers using positive learning from here.
To go around accusing forum members of being underhand - or worse - like this is not constructive, helpful, truthful, or in the spirit of sharing positive experiences that may be helpful.
I suggest you get new lawyers and issue a new summons using the learning weāve shared here so we can see you in Lisbon without more delay.
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It was a couple of thousand ā¬ IIRC to draft quite a lengthy summons full of legal arguments and submit it to the court. Not the cheapest but I think youāre paying for the drafting rather than the submission itself.
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I paid something like 750 EUR. Donāt get taken for a ride
Did you get approved? Which agency did you use
AGPC Investments, though I was an established client so perhaps I got a better deal than a new client would. But tell them Garrett sent you and see what happens. I would definitely recommend them
I already had pre approval and biometrics, they won the case to get me final approval after biometrics. Still no card, but thatās on AIMA not AGPC
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It is absolutely underhanded to use someone elseās address in order to appear as though youāre already in-country, and I think it is worth people asking themselves whether there is any risk involved there. We are here to learn, after all.
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Oh do give it up. Iāve been nice to you. This sub-topic is closed. Unless you must also always have the last word as well.
I agree about pretending to live in Portugal, it is not being honest and is rather underhanded.
However, some would tar AIMA with the same brush.
You may want to re-consider this, especially if you eventually want to move to Portugal (or Europe) full-time, and would still need to maintain a valid U.S. address.
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Roman makes a great point. Considering this platform is called āNomad Gateā, and nearly every government and financial institution worldwide requires a local address to access basic services, I cannot imagine any ānomadā who uses this platform who isnāt maintaining at least one address in a country where they donāt spend the majority of their time.
Otherwise, did you cancel all your credit cards and bank accounts when you left your home country? Most financial institutions wonāt deal with anyone who doesnāt keep an in-country address. How do you deal with the gap in between when you land in a new country and when you can pass the āproof of addressā requirements for the new countryās banks? Where did your money go in between?
Did you cancel your home country mobile phone too, and not maintain any phone numbers there through any other means? Basically impossible to access any services without a phone number.
Letās remember, the point of the Portugal Golden Visa program, the entire reason to choose this specific program over every other program, is that it claims to offer full residency with a path to PR and citizenship without the need to physically reside or be present in Portugal. Now Portugal is ignoring our applications unless we claim to live there. This is deceit, this is a lack of integrity, this is a refusal to honor the terms of the program.
So if one of us deceives the deceivers just to get WHAT WE ALREADY PAID FOR, I say justice is done! 
And if you are planning to apply Kantian ethics during your journeys through the rest of the world, wow, good luck with that ā other cultures do not think that wayā¦
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It has nothing to do with being āunderhandedā. I would consider it as āsurvival skillā. When you are being surrounded by the wolfs, to stay alive you must sound like a wolf. Thatās it!
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Iām an expat and Iāve not had this issue at all. My UK banks, phone companies, UK DVLA etc. all have my correct overseas address. Not all banks will accept non-residents, but there are enough who do - HSBC for example, market themselves on the fact you can hold accounts in multiple countries and how easy it is to move money around the world with them. I know lots of people who use a pretend UK address in order to keep their UK driving license - ignoring the fact that it would all come out if they ever have an accident and need to claim on insurance. Itās also a risky game to mis-lead these organisations if you are claiming that you are not tax resident in said country.
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Most countriesā banks and other institutions will not allow overseas addresses at all. In many cases, this is due to a policy of not allowing non-residents to open accounts. In other cases, itās excessive caution by domestic banks, or laziness in setting up their IT systems.
The UK, as a global financial hub, may be an exception. So you are speaking from a position of privilege.
HSBC Expat charges an arm and a leg for transfers, and not everyone can even access it.
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Guys , i have already paid to my law firm to file lawsuit , meanwhile can we stay in Portugal ? considering we landed here with tourist visa with validity of few weeks ?
An international transfer between your HSBC account in different countries is free. You do not need to be a Premier customer to access that.
I agree that there are limited options for non-residents, and that it also probably stems from laziness on the part of the institutions in most cases. But I still wouldnāt suggest itās ever a good idea to use a false address.
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A valid address is not a false address. There is nothing wrong to have a valid address for you in a different country from where you or your designated representative can conduct your overseas business.
Just to let you know, if you move to Portugal prior to receiving your card, you canāt exchange your driving license for the Portuguese one - I tried and was rejected. Hence my only option is to keep my U.S. license with a valid address until I get my residency card.
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False addresses to which you have no connection are obviously unwise. The address of a relative or close friend who receives your post for you and where you may stay a percentage of the time is not āfalseā.
HSBCās currency exchange fees are unreasonably high compared to Wise or credit card companies.
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