# Portuguese Golden Visa success stories? **URL:** \ **Category:** Portugal Golden Visa\ **Tags:** portugal, golden-visa\ **Created:** [November 14, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445 "2024-11-14T19:43:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dr.arezoubagherzadeh](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@dr.arezoubagherzadeh](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/dr.arezoubagherzadeh)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2024, 7:30am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/41 "2024-12-27T07:30:00Z")
How can we become a member of the WhatsApp group? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.E](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/m/a698b9/32.png) [@Mr.E](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/Mr.E)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 10:14am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/42 "2024-12-31T10:14:22Z")
As mentioned earlier, if you join the facebook groups, you should be able to find the posts that contain the invitation for the groups. ---
**Author:** ![schepps5](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/schepps5/32/4709_2.png) [@schepps5](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/schepps5)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2024, 12:10pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/43 "2024-12-31T12:10:38Z")
Can you give a bit more info to help us? Searching Facebook reveals dozens of groups, and then searching WhatsApp within the group gives dozens more hits. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c57346/32.png) [@bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/bluelotus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 6:26am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/44 "2025-01-18T06:26:34Z")
Has everyone submitted the Contagem de tempo with their citizenship application? My lawyer said there was no real need to do so. I hope she’s correct in her assessment. ---
**Author:** ![anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon33049376)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 6:51am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/45 "2025-01-18T06:51:53Z")
Hi It s unnecessary to submit it Irn ask automatically and internally through platforms Filed without the specific document Otherwise you can revise the timeline estimation to 2 years or less for artigo 6.1 😊 ---
**Author:** ![tedbean](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/tedbean/32/4684_2.png) [@tedbean](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tedbean)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:07pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/46 "2025-01-18T15:07:56Z")
Interesting, I didn’t realize IRN will get the Contagem de Tempo from AIMA directly… What about the GV cards? Everyone says we need to have valid (non-expired cards) but that’s not part of the submission process either correct? (In other words, if AIMA would issue a positive 5-year contagem to IRN, i.e., due to the Decree / Artigo for coverage til 6/2025, then one with expired cards – but no renewal opportunity – technically can submit?) ---
**Author:** ![tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tommigun)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:32pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/47 "2025-01-18T15:32:41Z")
Look for detailed posts from @seagu77 on this subject. In short: - submitting your own contagem de tempo may or may not speed up your IRN process; - you need a valid non-expired residence card as IRN will check that at some point during the process. ---
**Author:** ![anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon33049376)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/48 "2025-01-18T15:33:15Z")
The time of residence will be confirmed internally as i said, so don t mind about this matters since you have 5 years residency. But at the Time of application and submission of process it is compulsory to have a valid residency. No problem if it expires after the submission. Worth to note that people around are overestimating every single matter… artcile 6.1 residency time is the most straightforward process Passport + language a2 certificate (ciple or Pla or etc) the most popular are CIPLE and PLA + criminal record+original birth certificate and a valid residency permit while applying. That s it No more no less ---
**Author:** ![tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tommigun)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:35pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/49 "2025-01-18T15:35:18Z")
> [@anon33049376](#): > > No problem if it expires after the submission. According to some other feedback here it would be a problem as your card validity is checked by IRN at some later point during the IRN process, not exactly on your citizenship application submission date. If you card is expired upon the IRN check your citizenship process is allegedly paused. I am simply referring to what others posted before, I have not gone through this myself yet. ---
**Author:** ![tedbean](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/tedbean/32/4684_2.png) [@tedbean](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tedbean)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/50 "2025-01-18T15:54:15Z")
Thanks both. It’s a bummer re: expired cards – when we (like most of us here) intend to keep them valid, but can’t. Sadly in our case we cannot submit right on our 5-year date, until they open up renewals… ---
**Author:** ![bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c57346/32.png) [@bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/bluelotus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 5:17pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/51 "2025-01-18T17:17:48Z")
I really hope so! ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2025, 5:53pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/52 "2025-01-18T17:53:40Z")
> [@anon33049376](#): > > No problem if it expires after the submission. That’s not my understanding. Do you have any data points of people who applied just before/as their card expired, never renewed, and still got citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon33049376)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 7:35am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/53 "2025-01-19T07:35:47Z")
Yes absolutely At the time A relative of mine got his citizenship process approved at the time his GV residency card has expired already ( in a period of time extended by decree law ) the lawyer explained that the check has been already done while submitting and not while making the decision. A lot of people are waiting to renew their GV visa residence permit and have already applied for citizenship. ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 8:51pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/54 "2025-01-19T20:51:32Z")
Okay, according to @seagu77 there are different timepoints that can be quite spread out: 1. apply for citizenship at IRN 2. IRN checks documents 3. IRN approves citizenship If your residency expires between 2 and 3, that is fine because they already checked the documents. But if your residency expires between 1 and 2, your citizenship process might be frozen until residency is renewed. Does that match your understanding? That the people you’re talking about only had residency expire after step 2.? Or are you saying some of them had residency truly expire (not extended by decree) before step 2. and still got citizenship? ---
**Author:** ![anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon33049376)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 9:32pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/55 "2025-01-19T21:32:35Z")
Hello for my relatives it expired between 2 and 3. Even though the lawyer explained this: While submitting the internal check is sending this kind of transaction: “first card date issued “ So number of years are calculated obviously because while submitting you must have a valid residency permit. To answer your question about decree law extension: It is assumed that you made the renewal so no gaps between renewals. One more thing: the lawyer emphasizes : same thing like the criminal record certficate, at submission it must be issued in less than 90 days… Processes are assessed later let s say 1,5 to 2 years later …so same understanding ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 9:49pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/56 "2025-01-19T21:49:32Z")
> [@anon33049376](#): > > for my relatives it expired between 2 and 3 Okay, so after applying it is probably wise to keep renewing until 2. (Document check) is complete. If you are risk averse like me, I would just continue renewing until approval is granted since it is not much longer ---
**Author:** ![anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/f08c70/32.png) [@anon33049376](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anon33049376)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/57 "2025-01-19T22:08:43Z")
Yes sure! for peace of mind better to renew Hopefully when it comes …it will be at the 177 euros And not the 6 042 Eur fees each card… Insanely priced ! ---
**Author:** ![bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/c57346/32.png) [@bluelotus](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/bluelotus)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 7:50am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/58 "2025-01-21T07:50:13Z")
Is it possible for you to briefly explain what stages 1, 2 and 3 are so I know I’ll be at Stage 2 by May 2025 hopefully. ---
**Author:** ![cj807](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/c/fbc32d/32.png) [@cj807](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/cj807)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 8:11am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/59 "2025-01-21T08:11:09Z")
This is the best description of the citizenship stages I’ve seen on here: > [@Portuguese Citizenship application after 5 years of Golden Visa](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-citizenship-application-after-5-years-of-golden-visa/21226/283): > > Dear all, as I have now progressed with my citizenship application I want to provide you some update based on facts which might be useful for future references. You would recall that there are 7 stages of the citizenship application Since last year if you apply via solicitor or a lawyer the application has to be online All online applications are forwarded to Porto Before online applications, stages 1 (received) and 2 (registered) would take up to 15 months; with online applications these step… ---
**Author:** ![Onward](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/o/e47774/32.png) [@Onward](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/Onward)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2025, 8:37am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445/60 "2025-01-21T08:37:54Z")
IRN actually has stages in the process, as in the following diagram: ![Novas etapas IRN para nacionalidade](https://c-assets.nomadgate.com/original/2X/2/25333ca27c9b54ef58b1d2cc180abbe1d423dcf1.png) Updated as of November 2024. Thanks @anonymous69 for pointing out the change. [Previous page](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/portuguese-golden-visa-success-stories/67445.md?page=4)