# Second thoughts now that I should have a passport before moving **URL:** \ **Category:** Portugal Golden Visa\ **Created:** [March 8, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217 "2024-03-08T01:11:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/alamomustang/32/3869_2.png) [@AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/AlamoMustang)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/1 "2024-03-08T01:11:05Z")
Now that my clock starts back in 2020, I can apply for a passport in 2025 with plans to move in 2026. It took multiple years to get the residence permit. Since I do not have to live in PT (if the passport takes less than a year), we are thinking of bypassing PT and going to central Europe. Anyone else have similar thoughts? ---
**Author:** ![loheiman](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@loheiman](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/loheiman)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 1:29am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/2 "2024-03-08T01:29:31Z")
I think the reason most GV investors applied was for the flexibility of being able to live anywhere in the EU without ever having to live in Portugal. I really like Portugal, but also like Spain, and have not even been to most other EU countries! ---
**Author:** ![anonymous82](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e99b99/32.png) [@anonymous82](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous82)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/3 "2024-03-08T02:15:19Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZCPId-2CABs/hqdefault.jpg "Dance With Who Brung Ya") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCPId-2CABs) ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/4 "2024-03-08T02:38:23Z")
> [@AlamoMustang](#): > > if the passport takes less than a year That is unlikely. Naturalization times are reportedly 2-3 years and may go up if more people are suddenly eligible to apply. ---
**Author:** ![tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/898d66/32.png) [@tommigun](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tommigun)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2024, 11:40am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/5 "2024-03-08T11:40:47Z")
I have been to all EU countries except one. Moreover I have been to all countries in Europe except three. Portugal is the best among the EU ones. There are some non-EU countries that I’d call ‘runners-up’. But they are non-EU anyway so you don’t need an EU passport to live there. Of course this is just my ‘uneducated’ opinion 😁 ---
**Author:** ![k.erwin](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/k.erwin/32/5894_2.png) [@k.erwin](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/k.erwin)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/6 "2024-03-09T15:12:55Z")
It is a great option to have. For many of us, tax considerations are a heavy factor in that choice. But if you consider only the aesthetics, so to speak, of living in a country, then the EU is quite a lovely set to choose from! No one can tell you what country YOU would like 😉 . ---
**Author:** ![AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/alamomustang/32/3869_2.png) [@AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/AlamoMustang)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/7 "2024-03-09T19:42:26Z")
We had a long discussion and know Portugal the best. Plus 4 years of language study. We will start there and adjust if we do not like it or when our IRA’s kick in. ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/8 "2024-03-09T19:46:51Z")
Just beware that once you are PT tax resident, you must declare your worldwide assets on your tax return, and if you ever leave Portugal you may have to pay an exit tax on unrealized gains for those assets. ---
**Author:** ![Starts](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Starts](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/Starts)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/9 "2024-03-09T20:06:38Z")
> [@anonymous69](#): > > you may have to pay an exit tax on unrealized gains Is this the case at the moment or something you think likely soon? ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/10 "2024-03-09T20:27:24Z")
I’ve heard it exists but I don’t know the details, a Portuguese accountant would have more expertise. ---
**Author:** ![AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/alamomustang/32/3869_2.png) [@AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/AlamoMustang)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 9:20pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/12 "2024-03-09T21:20:42Z")
Even under NHR? ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2024, 10:28pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/13 "2024-03-09T22:28:56Z")
That’s a good question for an accountant/tax lawyer. I don’t know if anyone on this forum knows. ---
**Author:** ![Starts](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/s/3ec8ea/32.png) [@Starts](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/Starts)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2024, 10:09am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/14 "2024-03-10T10:09:10Z")
My Portuguese accountants’ tax report doesn’t forecast I will be subject to an exit tax (I’m a PT NHR resident). That doesn’t mean it can’t happen / apply. But I know the EU opposed one back in 2014. I used that as the basis to move in 2022. > **[Taxation: Commission refers Portugal to Court over exit taxation for individuals](https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/sl/ip_14_50)** > > Taxation: Commission refers Portugal to Court over exit taxation for individuals If anyone can provide clarity on the existence of an exit tax from PT, and when it’s applicable please post? ---
**Author:** ![DGHATIKACHALAM1](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/dghatikachalam1/32/5461_2.png) [@DGHATIKACHALAM1](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/DGHATIKACHALAM1)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/15 "2024-03-18T12:50:02Z")
So many confusing information, from april 2024, does the Portuguese citizenship clock starts when after we apply to initial application for pre-approval or does it start after we complete biometric ? My initial application for pre-approval is dec 29th 2021 Biometric happened on august 18, 2023 in Faro, Portugual I am still waiting outside of portugal for first temporary residence card. Please let me know ---
**Author:** ![anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/d26b3c/32.png) [@anonymous69](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/anonymous69)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 2:43am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/17 "2024-03-22T02:43:13Z")
This isn’t confirmed yet. ---
**Author:** ![AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/alamomustang/32/3869_2.png) [@AlamoMustang](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/AlamoMustang)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2024, 3:27am UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/second-thoughts-now-that-i-should-have-a-passport-before-moving/63217/18 "2024-03-22T03:27:46Z")
Oh my attorney said it was done. I will erase my message.