# Wait time now counts toward 5 year residency? **URL:** \ **Category:** Portugal Golden Visa\ **Tags:** portugal\ **Created:** [January 5, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/wait-time-now-counts-toward-5-year-residency/62393 "2024-01-05T19:03:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1232
**Author:** ![tkrunning](https://community.nomadgate.com/user_avatar/community.nomadgate.com/tkrunning/32/9053_2.png) [@tkrunning](https://community.nomadgate.com/u/tkrunning)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2025, 7:28pm UTC](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/wait-time-now-counts-toward-5-year-residency/62393/1232 "2025-05-20T19:28:03Z")
> [@sj-to-pt](#): > > Not to get too “meta” here but, I would be in favor of stopping the AI and GPT answers on the forum. Besides the accuracy questions raised above, they’re extremely low-effort… any one of us could just as easily ask our favorite AI these questions, and get a similar non-answer. IMO the real value of the forum is insight/thoughts from other GV holders and the lawyers, the AI summaries are just noise. At least that’s my two cents. While I’m sure there are edge cases where LLM answers are useful, I tend to agree with this sentiment in general. The several walls of text generated by Claude that was posted in this thread seem to really miss the mark in many ways. Not because the legal cases it references don’t exist (I haven’t checked one way or the other), but because it seems to just go on about the rights of Golden Visa holders being protected based on a bunch of cases where their rights to _residence_ on similar conditions would be protected. But that says nothing about rights to _citizenship_ (which is governed by a completely separate law), which is the question that most people are wondering about at the moment. And then you have “statements” like this which makes zero sense at all: > [@anon19331392](#): > > The proposal emphasizes requiring “effective presence in the national territory,” which would **likely require Golden Visa holders to spend significantly more time physically in Portugal than currently required.** > > According to Pedro Catão Pinheiro, Partner at Next Lawyers, the AD coalition aims to “strengthen ties to Portugal and mitigate concerns about the ‘call effect’ of the current law.” **This indicates the changes are specifically targeting programs like the Golden Visa that allow citizenship with minimal physical presence.** Since when are PSD politicians worried about Golden Visa investors not spending enough time in Portugal? Any public statements to support this? I’d like to see them. While you may argue that the output from LLMs may not be much worse than many “news” articles (I’m looking at you _TPN_), that doesn’t mean we should introduce more noise to the debate if we can avoid it. On the other hand, using an LLM to find sources that would otherwise be hard to dig up can be totally fine—but please verify before posting. And as far as possible don’t copy/paste a wall of text, instead summarize and link to the original sources. If you do need to include a long output from an LLM, please hide it behind `details` tags like this: ```auto [details="LLM output"] LLM output goes here... [/details] ``` Which results in output like this: > **LLM output** > > LLM output goes here… --- _[View the full topic](https://community.nomadgate.com/t/wait-time-now-counts-toward-5-year-residency/62393)._