I am really sorry, Isnāt the initial application and the 1s application for he Residency Card the same thing? I understand you need to wait for years for pre-approval, just asking for definitions.
I am sorry but this seems highly improbable
Sorry a silly question. If you donāt live in Portugal and it takes you 2-3 years to get a residence permit, doesnāt it mean that you mign not even renew your GV or stay in Portugal for more than two weeks once?
Not sure I fully undestand your question, but let me answer anyway 
Between the date of your initial (online) GV application, and the date of your first GV card issuance (printed on your first GV card) - you are not required to spend any days in Portugal.
I would still recommend you do spend some time there, itās a beautiful country 
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AIMA already counts waiting time for residence permit for citizenship applications
The countryās legislation provides that, after completing five years of residence in Portuguese territory, foreigners have the right to apply for Portuguese citizenship. For jurist Beatriz Sidrim, AIMA is acting correctly in the interpretation of the law. āIn my opinion, what the agency is doing reinforces what we already knew: the law is in force and being applied by the responsible entities. This is a huge gain for immigrants and makes the objective of the legislation fulfilled, ensuring that the residence time is recognized fairly, without immigrants being harmed by the delay of the institutions,ā he says.
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That is encouraging but the caveat is that no one quoted in that piece is explicitly talking about golden visa holders, only those applying with a manifestaĆ§Ć£o de interesse.
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Hmm, nobody tested yet. But, well, it is a good point, and it is why I believe that if authorities will follow rules for naturalization based on residence strictly they will not apply those new rules to GVs. Because most people applied for GV even could not reside in Portugal during this waiting period. Just not allowed. While people with manifestaĆ§Ć£o could. However, if it is applied, it would be a good compensation for this waiting period and save yr money even if compare with normal track meeting all deadlines.
P.S. I think it is why government has not written those regulations. Because new law amendments are absurd, badly written and contradict to the original principles of citizenship law when applies e.g. to GV. They were voted by PS on the last days of dissolved parliament. But on the other side they do not want people running to courts for questions those regulation if they refuse GVs to give that time. So a typical Portuguese solution - do nothing.
I think this is incorrect, no? At least people that applied in 2021 and earlier could live in Portugal without anything, right?
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Why GV could not reside during waiting time? Show me where it is written in the law?
One of my dependent resided in PT after pre-approval and lived in the country for almost 1 year until having completed the biometric. No problem at all. Aima/sef did not say anything. 7 months after biometric, card was delivered. If it was not allowed, then who would not allow it? Surely aima/sef did allow because card was printed and delivered.
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Absurd? How absurd is it? Is it as absurd as not giving resident cards to GV applicant for 3-4 years? Some people in this forum have been waiting over 3 years for cards. Two of my dependents are now 4 years 8 months without cards. Do you think that it is not as absurd as the new citizenshipās law?
Damage has been well made by the govt. The new citizenshipās law is never a fair compensation to what they have done to GV applicants although it is better than nothing. If things go fair and square, GV applicants need only one thing i.e. Portuguese govt follows their own written rule. If rules were obeyed by portuguese govt from the first day, there would be no need to have a new citizenshipās law.
The biggest absurdity is that we, as innocent immigrants, have to fights for our rights against the government which often breaks their own rules. 
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Absurd actions should not be corrected by absurd changes in the law. Law is much more long-term and basic, and because we are not in US with the flexible precedent law, it should not be done this way.
If you donāt have a permit, then arenāt you in-country on a 90 day tourist visa? And youāve overstayed, so not eligible for a permit. If you got one, thank your lucky stars.
Of course, my dependent had schengen visa when entered the country. Do you think he went here by boat? However his visa expired when he was waiting for biometric. Before the expired date of the visa, we went to Sef to confirm. Sef said that the process was being analised and the person was allowed to stay in the country until the final outcome. Then things sailed thru. Card arrived!
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Then it would be even better if the absurb actions should not have been done from the first day. I am not US citizen and I did not come to Portugal thru US. Therefore I have zero interests in US especially about what american laws are. As the result of it, US has nothing to do here in this regards. Each country has its own unique way to create/amend/publish its law. I do not see any absurdity when portuguese govt introduced new law. The absurdity happens when the government keeps breaking their own timeline.
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Quick reminder: anyone who applied for GV prior to 1 Jan 2022 can legally stay in PT while waiting for their application being processed.
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The statement about GV could not live in the country while waiting is absolutely wrong and nonsense. My dependent is a living example. Applied in 2020. Entered the country by tourist visa in 2022. Biometric was done 7 months after expiration of the visa. Card was delivered 8 months after biometric.
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I am not a lawyer. But according to my understanding of general Portuguese legal process, any person waiting for any aima immigration decision can legally stay in Portugal.
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May be so. My reference to 1 Jan 2022 was based on the specific legal position, namely Despacho n.Āŗ 12870-C/2021.
I am not aware of any such documents confirming the status post 2021.
There are reports that GV applicants are getting emails starting today about a new electronic processing method to move things along. Has anyone gotten one? It has a phrase about taking biometrics acting as āthe confirmation of the presence in the National Territoryā, which seems ominous for the five year lookback.
I got one, yes. At the same time due to the lawsuit I filed, a few weeks ago I got a confirmation for the biometric appointment in March. They now reset the website showing the new status of pending submission, which caused a lot of confusion. The lawyer confirmed the appointment stays intact despite the changes on the website.
For those with no appontment yet it sounds like a good news overall.
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