For the cases your lawyer has handled, has he spoken at all about how the number of days are counted? Thereās definitely disagreement back and forth on this board about that (ie, do arrival and departure days count), and Iām curious to hear additional input. Thanks!
@mecht3ach My lawyerās advice has always been that arrival and departure days do not count, so you should spend 7 full days + arr/dept days in Portugal each year. Less clear is whether you can spend 14 days in a single year on a 2 year card. I believe they have successfully argued that case with SEF but technically their expectation is 7 days per year. Donāt know how AIMA will deal that question.
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That makes sense! Thank you very much!
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Does anyone know if it possible to get your NIF on AirBnB receipts? we are completing our stay requirement soon and are staying exclusively at AirBnBs
I have tried searching, but nothing so far.
Should be, if you are paying upon check-in or check-out in Portugal. If you made on-line reservation and payment, then it could be difficult.
Try contacting the AirBnB host in advance and give them your NIF and ask if they can give you a āFaturaā with that NIF. I believe they are legally required to file the Fatura with the tax authority.
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I remember I wrote several times about how to get the proof of stays. The best solution without depending on hotels/airbnb/supermarket is to use ATM. Everyday you withdraw 20E from ATM and keep the receipts. It shows your account number with your Nif. Repeat it for 14 days as you need. No one could argue about the receipts from the bank.
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does not work for dependents without a bank account.
I imagine for minor dependents, having joint boarding passes with the main applicant is the main proof.
Do they think a 5 year old child will run off to Spain while their parent has proof of daily activity in Portugal?
You can also buy items at grocery stores and give the dependentās NIF. But itās really you doing that, not the child anyway, so what does it prove?
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Then they can physcially go to the bank and deposit 20-50Euros to the bank accountās of the main applicant. The bank surely issues the receipts with all information of yhe depositer/benificer.
I always have doubt about the receipts from supermarket with nif. Basically all of your friends can get the receipts with your Nif written on it and you are at the time not in Lisbon but in Seville or Madrid.
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San Sabastian please ā¦
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Completely agree. I think the NIF on receipt providing proof you were in PT is likely a bit of an urban myth, as it provides absolutely no proof whatsoever for the reason you said. That said, Iām doing it anyway - nothing to lose!
Iād have thought time stamped photos of yourself at Portuguese landmarks, proof of hotel / airbnb stay (and they have to take the details of the guests, so I doubt that adding your NIF to the receipt does anything at all), plus boarding passes, should be sufficient.
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My family and I visit the notary office every day and have them witness the family signing a document such as saying you declare that today is Monday September 9. It is indisputable evidence that your family was in Portugal on that day.
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Wow, that really is a belts and braces approach! It would take a lot of the enjoyment out of a holiday to Portugal for sureā¦
Has anyone heard of cases where AIMA have argued that say your boarding passes and hotel booking is insufficient proof and refused renewal on that basis?
Well not indisputable ā¦ you could have hired actors who look like you and handed them your IDs while you scamper across the border to PERFIDIOUS SPAIN! /s
@Beanieskis difficult to tell since everyone here has mostly reported automatic renewals the last few years where they donāt really check anything. I just followed a strategy of: boarding passes, give my NIF to anyone who will listen (hotels, grocery stores, metro card refills, intercity trains, when buying tickets to attractions like museums, etc) and lots of photos taken at all the different locations we visited. Our last trip involved so many different locations, it would have basically been impossible for us to run off to PERFIDIOUS SPAIN (/s) in between all our traveling.
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Not sure that goes far enough. Iāll be sitting 24/7 outside the Torre de Belem, live-streamed on RTP2
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You - or your body double?
Really the only indisputable proof would be if you walked into an AIMA office every day and somehow persuaded them to take your biometrics. 
If youāre really paranoid, just spend your whole visit in the part of Portugal furthest from Spain, AKA the AƧores, because thereās basically no way you can fly away from the AƧores islands without the government knowing.
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Not sure about that, one can still swim out to Bermuda from there under the radarā¦
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Lads, Iāve got it. Arrive in Portugal, commit crimes, get imprisoned for a two-week stretch. As long as your sentence is less than three years, it wonāt affect your citizenship application.
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Iāve done my renewal recently. The proof that I used was my Portuguese B2 certificate.
It took me 9 months (twice a week) attending classes and passed exams (writing, reading, listening, oral). The course was organised by government and can be checked easily. If AIMA refuses to accept my proof and argues that I hired and paid someone to take the course, then there is going to be a big court case. I surely did my written exams with my own hand writting. The teachers there know me. I am looking forward to a next battle with AIMA. 200% pumped up to bring it up to another level!!!
Personally, I think portuguese authority really does know how many days we live in the country and what we did in these days. But they still want to challenge and pretend that they do not know anything about our activities. Their approach is so cheap!!! Thatās why I really want to see that they deny my portuguese certificate as a concrete proof. Then another lawsuit will be activated!
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