Awaiting Pre-Approval (Stage 2)

It has been almost two years for me now. Getting increasingly frustrated.

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Tell me about it! Exactly 2 years today for me. 14/06/2022…

Hi - Could you share details of lawyer, as well? Thank you!

Hi could you DM me lawyer details as well ?

Can you DM me the lawyer details

Hi I would also like the details of your lawyer also. thanks
Mathew

I got approved on June 6th, 2024. My application was submitted on December 30th, 2021; I had an initial rejection/request for further information on May 24th, 2024; we sent the response on May 30th, 2024.

The reasoning for this was that the final wire I sent to my own bank account in Portugal for the final check had 12 euros subtracted by the receiving bank, so they did an initial rejection and requested further information. We responded with

  • An updated bank letter including the SoF/deposit context for the initial balance in the Portuguese account to account for the 12 euros that went into the check.
  • A letter from the seller’s bank showing the context of another transfer made to the property from my personal account.

While I’m unhappy with the time it took to get to the approval stage (and the reasoning for the initial rejection/request for more information), the response time from AMSA with the approval from the day of submission of the supporting documents was 6 business days, which is actually pretty good.

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Congratulations! Would you please share where you completed your biometrics? Thank you!

And don’t forget to update the database

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I’d like to dedicate this to my fellow ‘22 Applicants. Just dragging this thread from its watery grave. I have no good news to share.

Bored Wait GIF by FirstAndMonday

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Same.

Application submitted: September 21, 2022 (family applications September 27)
Lawsuit filed: February 2024 (lawyer recommended this as a no risk try to speed things up)
Lawsuit Denied: April 2024

Nothing new since.

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I’m sorry. I don’t understand how they deny these cases when the government has so thoroughly broken its promises to us and we have been divested of such huge amounts in reliance on those promises. It’s enraging.

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Hi Jay,would you like to share your lawyer team and what files you submitted and why the judge denied your lawsuit pls.

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What was the reason for your denial? It sure sounds absurd to reject any of these cases given that the government is effectively defrauding investors.

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My understanding is that it was denied because the court found no urgency as I was not currently residing in Portugal (or something like that).

It became slightly less important to me once the change to the citizenship waiting period hit, but now with the political climate in the US rapidly deteriorating, I am back to looking at options to expedite. I’ve read here that some people just refile repeatedly until they get a judge to agree (no idea if that’s possible), and there was also another possible option (injunctive relief) that my lawyers had proposed, but I will keep you all posted.

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Do we have any updates on the citizenship waiting period really starting from the time of approval? Last I heard that was still not yet in stone. Many thanks.

As explained to me by a few PT law firms, first and foremost you need to realise that suing AIMA to progress your Golden Visa is a “judge lotto.”

It’s not fair. It’s not consistent. It’s another cruel joke in the absolute farce that is the Portugal Golden Visa.

The judges who reject claims generally assert that GV applicants who do not reside in Portugal have no urgent reasons to file the Special Law Suit (Intimation to Protect Fundamental Rights). They feel such applicants only have grounds to file a Normal Law Suit (Conviction to Undertake Due Action) - and not with an “urgent” claim attached either. “Normal” Suits take 3+ years if no urgency attached, so what’s the point?

…and it’s a lotto because the same law firms, making the same arguments for non-resident GV’ers in the same situations at the same Court (Lisbon) have said sometimes they win, other times they lose. It all depends on which judge you get.

I’m guessing nobody was warned of this when they started their PT GV journey. Or that they’d have to sue just to move a basic bureaucratic process along. But prospective applicants reading this forum, take note and beware :skull_and_crossbones:

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Not yet - there’s a whole other thread dedicated to that question. And if interpretation is left to the PT courts, then as I’ve noted above that will probably also be inconsistent and unfair.

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This is what I have been told.

And nowadays there’s a huge queue of lawsuits, so my second lawsuit was filed in like November '23 and has had no progress.

My lawyers are confident and adamant it’s 5 years from application, but I also do not think there is a definitive governmental confirmation of this so who knows.

I have reached back out to see if it’s possible to keep filing lawsuits to judge shop or what this injunction process entails.