Awaiting Pre-Approval (Stage 2)

The benefit of the community is you can hear different people’s experiences - see Nik’s comments

I don’t have a problem being non pre-approved and travelling from Lisbon to Schengen (I’m mindful to arrive or leave thru Lisbon) and will continue to do so.

Yes, I think a Spanish card is redundant - the above would still be in breach of the rules with a Spanish card - time in Portugal counts as outside Spain and therefore won’t reset your 180 days.

But in both cases, Spanish card or PGV application, the border guards or state official does not know where you have spent the intervening 90 days (unless it was outside Schengen) because your passport is not stamped or checked travelling between zone countries. You take a physically separate route off the plane bypassing customs & border control.

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I guess pre-approval isn’t everyone’s priority right now, but did anyone receive pre approval recently? Or does anyone’s lawyer explain the strike of SEF?

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I got an email from my consultant today. Although they said that nothing is final till the law gets published after all the remaining steps of deliberation, at the moment their understanding is that all past, present and future GVs will be moved to D2 category (entrepreunial immigration) . Which requires 180 days of stay per year and other aspects of D2.

This comes as a big disappointment. All our reasons for opting for Portugal GV seem done for now. If this indeed happens, then we might have to just wait for our 6 years contract with Mercan to be over and get our funds back. Or maybe when (and if) the law does get passed in this way, we would explore possibilities of an earlier release from that contract. Such a shame really.

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@mazter09 have a look at other threads. The proposed law is almost certainly unconstitutional and there is a concerted effort in progress to vigorously protect our rights. Check the other threads on this forum for more information.

The #1 most important thing you can do right this moment is sign the petition, and get your whole family to sign the petition (see the sticky banner at the top of the site for a link). We need 7500 legitimate signatures by Thursday so that our legal advocates will have the right to participate in parliamentary negotiations.

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In support of what @gwytb states, the following text can be used to send to people who have an interest in the ARI Program of Portugal.

The reason for the Urgency is that we need to get 7,500 signatures of people with some connection by Thursday. While it may not be exactly perfect, it is close enough for now, we can all influence the details later.

We urgently need your help!

The rights of immigrants to Portugal are being threatened. At this point proposed laws seek to revoke the rights of ARI (residence by investment ) applicants , but any category of immigrants could be next. Please sign this petition sponsored by PAIIR asap . If the group of Portuguese industry and legal leaders obtain 7,500 signature the group will secure the right to participate in parliamentary discussions about the bill and represent it’s members and us.

Please help before it’s too late. https://peticaopublica.com/pview.aspx?pi=PT115859. To join the petition you need you name, email and NIF or identification residence card or passport number) .

Obrigado pela ajuda.

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I’d love to sign a petition for me and my husband, but nothing is in English, and I have no idea where the petition is. If it was easier, more people would sign the petition.

Most browsers can automatically translate a webpage into English. If you right-click on the page in question, somewhere in the list of options (depending on your browser) will be ā€œTranslate this pageā€. It’s a machine translation, so there are often odd word choices tucked in somewhere, but it does a great job of giving you the gist of things.

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Here’s the petition link

https://peticaopublica.com/mobile/pview.aspx?pi=PT115859

To read in English, use the translate function in your browser.

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This is the translations…

ā€œMore than 10 years ago, the Government had to ask for international foreign aid to ensure the financing of Portugal and the Portuguese economy. They were difficult years for all Portuguese, in austerity, with more unemployment and with less disposable income.

In this context and on the initiative of the Government, a mechanism for attracting foreign investment was introduced in 2012 in the Foreigners Law, in this case investment of citizens who are nationals of third countries to the European Union, allowing them, upon compliance with certain conditions, to be holders of a residence permit in Portugal, which became known as ā€œgold visaā€.

Over the years that have passed, this mechanism has been one of the flags of economic diplomacy pursued by the Government, by the embassies of Portugal abroad and also by government agencies for attracting investment.

Quickly this residence permit aroused the interest of international investors and patrons, having helped the fact that Portugal is perceived as a stable and secure country, at the political, economic and social level.

It was not the investors who defined where to invest, nor the conditions for the granting of ā€œgold visasā€. It was the successive Governments that were modeling and improving the respective legal regime in order to attract more investors, through differentiated investment activities, depending on the amounts, typologies of investment and their location.

The result of this public policy of attracting investment is visible in the statistics released by the Foreigners and Borders Service. Between October 2012 and February 2023, 11,758 residence permits were granted to citizens from the four corners of the world, and the overall value of this investment exceeded 6,800 million Euros.

Over the years, the Foreigners and Borders Service has never met the deadlines provided for in the law for the processing of applications, leaving investors months and years waiting for a favorable response, despite the large administrative fees paid by them and their families.

On November 9, 2022, after the Prime Minister declared to consider ending the ā€œgold visaā€ regime, it was publicly announced by the Minister of Economy the constitution of a commission with representatives of the ministries of Economy, Home Affairs and Foreign Affairs to assess the impact of the program, which to date has not had any activity, with no objective data on the effects that the program had on the Portuguese economy, fuel

Arrived in 2023, and as part of a broader Program (More Housing) aimed at adopting emergency measures to respond to the difficulties of access of Portuguese families to decent housing and at prices compatible with their income, investors were surprised by the abrupt decision of the Portuguese Government to put an end to the ā€œgold visaā€ regime, allegedly because they contributed to real estate speculation.

The truth is that the Government does not only intend to close this instrument of attracting investment for our economy, with the purpose of protecting the access of the Portuguese to housing.

Without ever having made any impact study of this program, namely regarding its return in terms of wealth generated, jobs created, taxes collected, the Government also wants to withdraw from the approximately 12,000 investors and about 20,000 family members regrouped the residence permit assigned to them in return for the investment in Portugal, imposing on them a permanent residence obligation that was not initially enshrined.

In other words, the Government’s proposal is not limited to preventing new investments from being made. It intends to go further, with other objectives that are nothing related to the More Housing Program and that reveal a strange prejudice against foreign citizens who must also be protected by the rule of law in force in Portugal

All these citizens are seeing the protection and security of their investments called into question with measures that are unjustified and discriminatory.

These citizens thus feel defrauded by the Portuguese State which, between 2012 and 2022, actively promoted a mechanism aimed at making investments and donations under certain conditions that are now changed, without safeguarding their constitutionally protected rights or interests.

In addition, it is the image and international reputation of Portugal that are strongly shaken. Portugal will no longer be seen as a stable country and friend of foreign investment. It will be with strong embarrassment and shame that Portugal will be perceived as an unstable country and in which the uncertainty and volatility of political agents will make investment a risky activity.

In view of the above, the undersigned appeal to the Government, in the people of the Prime Minister and the Minister of Housing, to all the Members of the Assembly of the Republic and, ultimately, to the President of the Republic, that, in relation to the ā€œgold visaā€ regime and within the scope of their respective competences:

  1. Avoid the adoption of any measures that are retroactive, in clear violation of the Constitution of the Portuguese Republic, for offense to the principles of legal certainty and the protection of trust.

  2. Avoid the adoption of any measures that affect the stability of investments made in Portugal and change the assumptions in which these investors have been granted residence titles for this category, in particular contrary to the obligation legally imposed on them to maintain the investments in question for a minimum period of 5 years.

  3. Allow a legislative transition that protects all ongoing investments and does not affect a sector of activity that has always sought to adapt to the requirements that have been imposed at all times.

  4. Adopt measures that do not contribute to a massive appeal to the courts to demand from the Portuguese State fair compensation for the damages caused by the application of unconstitutional legislationā€œ

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Just signed with my family! Very straight forward! Hopefully this helps :heart: Applied July 2022 and still waiting but hopeful.

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I already signed, Is this petition also going to the law makers? Sending this to government or beaurocrats may not be sufficient.

Would this petition have teeth in political circle, privately or publicly, do they lobbyists in Portugal for Portugal.

I signed it as well

Right, 7days rule is a deal breaker here … Why spend so much time and money on applications if you can get the same result with D2 visa …

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hey folks,

my application finally got out of ā€œapplication under analysisā€ state and is now sitting in ā€œAwaiting application submissionā€ state.

this must have happened yesterday because i checked 2 days ago and it was still in ā€œapplication under analysisā€ state).

i just spoke with my lawyer and apparently this means SEF asked for a document - the document they asked for is an ā€œupdated land registry certificateā€ (which my lawyer says she has ordered yesterday and should be available ā€œsoonā€ and she will then submit the application).

anybody ever go through this intermediate step where SEF asks for a document before pre-approval? why would they ask for an updated land registry certificate? did my lawyer not submit it to begin with? how do i check this?

thanks.

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I did not have that exact situation, but similar. All of my documents were fine through Preapproval, but then after biometrics but before final approval (which I am still waiting on), they asked for that updated land registry certificate. I suspect that if a certain amount of time goes by, SEF considers that land registry document stale and requires a new one.

I suspect that if a certain amount of time goes by, SEF considers that land registry document stale and requires a new one.

if this were the case, everyone here would probably have been asked for an updated land registry document? most of us have been waiting until at least december 2021. is that the case?

how do we check if the land registry document was submitted to begin with?

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Similar situation with us, 8 months after biometrics they asked for proofs of legal entry in the country - which had been submitted at the biometrics (basically passport copies with visas and entry stamps). So, we resubmitted. Still waiting for final approval.

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I do not know. My statement above was pure speculation. I only found out about it in my case because my attorneys billed me the 15 euros or whatever it was to order the document. Maybe other attorneys do not bother billing for it. Maybe it is only certain types of property purchases like for renovations or something else. If you are interested, I would recommend asking your lawyer. They are in a better position to know what generally happens with SEF. I only know what happened in my case and was drawing a parallel to the original poster who said they had the same thing happen.

Similarly, if you are unsure whether the correct land registry document was submitted to SEF, I would check with your lawyer to confirm. I rely on my lawyer to know what to submit and when. But I’m sure that, notwithstanding that, SEF asks for updated and additional documents as it sees fit. There’s not much we can do except comply or delay our GVs.

FYI: We removed a mention about an unverified WhatsApp group since we’ve seen abuse of third-party groups that have leaked members’ contact details in the past. Given that WhatsApp require sharing of your phone number with all other participants we don’t allow posting of such groups in public.

If members feel the need to take the discussion elsewhere, you’re free to agree to do so and share contact details in private.

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I assume that what is seen on the ARI application site is ā€œaguarda envioā€? This happened and was posted here in a couple of cases. It means that they are waiting for some documentation that they do not yet have (ā€œwaiting for deliveryā€) to complete and accept the application. After they have reviewed the documentation they asked for, it can go back to ā€œAguarda analise or→Candidatura Aceiteā€
In somebody else’s case it was to update documents for family members (Awaiting Pre-Approval (Stage 2) - #797 by anon19021080). The documentation needed by SEF is not automatically the ā€œLand registry certificateā€ - which is only relevant to those who bought a house and not all bought housing…!
It is paperwork that SEF considers missing or needs updating in the application that halts classification as pre-approved or approved [notwithstanding the fact that SEF delays were likely responsible for the documentation being out-of-date!].

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thank you @Onward - my lawyer confirmed that in my particular case it was indeed an updated land registry certificate.

i hope i don’t go back to Aguarda analise! i hope after the lawyer submits the updated certificate, it moves to Candidatura Aceite quickly!

+10000 on ā€œnotwithstanding the fact that SEF delays were likely responsible for the documentation being out-of-date!ā€

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