PGV / ARI Rage, Tragedy, & General Madness

Don’t do it Chris! Look at the bones, man!
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I wouldn’t wish it on my second worst enemy. For the first one (anybody and everybody from Portugal), I dont wish anything short of what I have gone through.

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Moving to Portugal is an easy three-step process:
(1) Spend several months to carefully and thoroughly prepare and apostille your and family’s documents, submit your investment, and finalize your application;
(2) Wait the rest of your life as your application gathers dust in a drawer, your documents expire, politicians blame you for the ills of society, and bureaucrats of various departments blame each other for ignoring your application;
(3) Die :blush: :skull_and_crossbones:

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This article is a bit outdated.

Do you have a source with newer figures?

I think you were providing more recent references just few posts above. This article was published in July of 2023, before AIMA actually took over from SEF. Hence it is not a truly reliable source any more.

True. Things are probably far worse now.

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That might be…

See any annual (or the old monthly) statistics published in a timeframe relevant to this conversation? I was under the impression those updates had stopped.

It wouldn’t surprise me if ARI applications were the absolutely lowest priority unless a lawsuit forces AIMA to act.

Page 11. In 2023, 2901 GVs approved, of which 1554 were family reunification. So 1347 primary applicants.

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Final approvals without lawsuits are still trickling through.

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My sense is that a trickle means almost none relative to previous years? Wonder if we will even see 1000 in 2024.

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Finally, some coverage from MSM that represents our POV:

Portugal Golden Visa Applicants Stuck in Limbo Use Legal Options – BNN Bloomberg

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This bit made me chuckle…
“A spokesman for AIMA was not immediately available to comment. The immigration agency did not respond to several emails and calls requesting a comment.”
:joy::rofl::joy:

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Expect a reply in 3-5 years; may be reduced to 3-5 months if filing a lawsuit :laughing: :joy: :rofl:

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Wow. The article says, “81.2% believe that the departure of people to other countries should be stopped.” Are Portuguese citizens really asking for an iron curtain situation where they are literally not allowed to leave the country? Or, do I not understand this survey?

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Is the point here that those of us waiting on Golden Visa processing should file a lawsuit? We submitted our applications in Mar/Apr 2023. Nothing at all yet from the authorities.

Yeah. All of us 2022 applicants are still waiting too. I wish we’d sued a year ago.

@ThroughtheMill So, have you filed suit now? Any concern that filing suit could make things worse? Like they’d look harder at the application and deny it out of spite because we a suing the Portuguese government? That sort of thing. Also, what’s the extra cost (legal fees and filing) for the suit? Per person, or per family? I’m going to ask my attorney, but like a lot of things in Portugal, it seems I need to push on it to make anything happen.

We haven’t and honestly with the flood of litigation (and how much money and trust we’ve already lost on legal remedies that went nowhere), I’m not sure that we will. We’re trying for a different form of visa instead. If that doesn’t work, we may have no choice but to sue. If the system hasn’t totally imploded by then.