PGV / ARI Rage, Tragedy, & General Madness

[ohbee (Full Name)]

Why do funds keep rolling in? Here’s one reason (of many):

You aren’t allowed to be “too negative” about ARI in community spaces designed to discuss it.

[syrenity (S)]

Haven’t seen Thomas policing this fora too much..

[Mr.E]

@gwytb

[* In the old law, you needed at least five years of legal residence out of the last ten. In the new law, you need at least ten years out of the last ten. That doesn’t leave much slack–zero days to be exact–if AIMA slow-walks your renewal until after the expiration date.]

This is the one other bit that worries me a lot - there is literally 0 room for any interruption and one can’t stop thinking what will happen if there is an interruption because of absence of the required response from AIMA, because of lack of renewal appointments or an approval.. We have just seen so many examples of this over the past so many years that it is hard to imagine a world without any delays.

I strongly believe that this needs to be addressed - How? - with a regulation which says that as long there is a renewal that is taking place after the expiry date of the card, the in-between days are bridged; or even a broader statement about an individual cannot be hold accountable for delays / interruptions beyond his control and his residency will not be interrupted…

In my opinion once the law is finalized this is the next bit that needs attention.

[tkrunning (Thomas K. Running)]

@ohbee

Why do funds keep rolling in? Here’s one reason (of many):

You aren’t allowed to be “too negative” about ARI in community spaces designed to discuss it.

No?

I’m assuming you’re referring to these forums.

Let’s search the GV sub-forum for the word “scam”. 49 hits.

I mean, there’s even this thread that has been up for more than three years:

Portugal Golden Visa is a scam - endless waits, misleading information and outright lies

I feel trapped and scammed by this process. The reason I applied for this was to be able to travel more freely and avoid issues with visas and embassies. This is the exact opposite experience. I have been stuck in Lisbon now for 9months, unable to travel out and with no end in sight on the SEF processes. I have missed important business and family commitments. Feels like I paid a bunch of money to get stuck here with endless wait and refreshing my application status daily. This is an outright s…

Clearly we’re censoring heavily…

What is required of participants is to follow the basic rules, which primarily boils down to being civil (e.g. no broad, offensive generalizations of all the Portuguese, being respectful towards other community members, etc) and staying on topic. The latter is important for the forums to remain usable and productive.

I think anyone who spends more than a few minutes reading these forums are fully aware of everyone’s (more than legitimate) grievances.

Anyway, good to have you back @ohbee! I wish it was under better circumstances…

[anonymous69]

@gwytb @Mr.E this has been revised by the committee to 10 years residence in the last 12 years

@anonymous69

The most beneficial change since the parliament version seems that instead of requiring 10 years residence out of the last 10 years, it is now 10 years out of the last 12 years, which gives slightly more leeway for gaps.

[Mr.E]

super helpful info, thank you

[jb4422 (Jeff B)]

Funds keep rolling in because

1. It takes a while for the information about the situation to propagate to people
2. The industry doing the advertising is financially motivated to put as good a spin on said information as possible, if they even provide it, which will slow said propagation
3. Some number of people aren’t savvy enough to figure things out even if they have all the information
4. Some number of people simply don’t care - they are fine with low expectations because what’s left is “good enough”.

That said, a friend of mine actually talked to me about the recent kerfluffles because he’d heard it from an acquaintance who I would have thought wouldn’t have given a shit, so the whole change-in-citizenship-rules thing is maybe getting a lot more attention than the residency-AIMA-delays-crap was.