Wait time now counts toward 5 year residency?

Even if that is the case, I seem to remember lawyers discussing a requirement about holding the investment or an equivalent as long as you have permanent resident status. It was in a discussion with one of the lawyer groups around the time that real estate was removed from the investment options. Sorry, I couldn’t find a reference.

Changes to the Nationality Law approved this Monday in the Council of Ministers also determine that a child will only be Portuguese if the parents have already lived legally in the country for three years, and must make this request.

Important: The residence period now starts counting from the date the residence permit is granted, not from the date of initial application.

Its so disappointing… change law like the wind changes

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I think (but not sure ) that the investment requirement is for the GV- specific permanent residence with no stay requirements that no one has rather than the “normal” permanent residence (that no GV holder has either :joy:)

Does this apply to ARI (Golden Visa by Investment option)? Or just all the other naturalization by residency schemas? I understand that requirements such as language, cultural knowledge and security pledges may be introduced for GV applicants.

i dont know anything anymore

This whole program is a MASSIVE state sponsored bait and switch SCAM… Before someone says the promise of a residency permit is not a promise of citizenship - D7 is a much FASTER and CHEAPER path to a residency permit if that is all anyone wanted. the WHOLE POINT of the ARI investment - was path to citizenship WITHOUT residency… The permit was just a rest stop. If it were not for the 7 day stay requirement over 5 years, almost no one would go down the ARI route. the D7 is a much more preferred option - in fact I am sure many have gotten citizenship via D7 route in the time some of us have been waiting for our residence cards.

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Our current thinking is that is these changes are really passed as is, and they f■■■ ARI holders, we’re out. Yank the investments as fast as possible, sell the property, and close my Portugal based business. Next stop would probably be France or Germany, although we’re open to other ideas. We really hope this doesn’t come to pass, but we’re not waiting around here any more if they pull the rug.

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Agree 100% that there will be no point to continue with Portugal if the law is passed as-is with no ARI carve-out, but France?! Tax-nightmare France?!

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Let’s reconvene over a bottle of old Porto before you make a rush decision. Sober heads never prevail in these unpredictable situations! :upside_down_face:

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Don’t worry, we’re not getting ahead of ourselves. We’re just exploring data points so we have an informed set of backup plans should the worst happen. A reasonable investor’s mindset on hedging bets, so to speak.

But yes, at the risk of publicly airing what should be a DM… we are way overdue for another gather, my friend! I’ll be home and guest-free for most of the summer, you guys should stop by. :blush:

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((Strikeout: The Constitutional Court has already ruled the new draft citizenship law as constitutionally valid.))

Edit: the above is incorrect! I was doing research on Grok and the AI gave incorrect information.

It’s just a matter of votes and debate. The only debate is over whether criminals can lose their acquired citizenship, and whether family reunification should be stricter. That is, the only debate happening right now is to make the law stricter/worse, not easier/better. But Chega will give up on making the draft stricter/worse and vote affirmatively with AD. The two of them, AD (who wrote the draft), and Chega (who wrote a much stricter draft that the current AD draft is based on), are more than enough to pass the law.

So… it’s just a matter of time before it becomes law. Oct/Nov 2025 at the earliest, Mar/Apr 2026 at the latest. There’s no savior. It’s a slow moving train wreck. We just don’t know the exact month of impact. If you qualify for 5y citizenship before Apr 2026, you may squeeze into the old rules and get it.

I have the bad luck of applying for ARI in October 2021, so I would’ve been eligible for 5y in October 2026. That means I’ll miss the last bus of people getting into the old rules, who need to apply for citizenship before Apr 2026 at the latest. Under the new rules, I’ll be able to apply for citizenship in 2035 instead of 2026. A ten-fold increase, I have to wait 10 more years instead of 1 more year.

I wish I could tell folks there’s a glimmer of hope. Maybe for the folks who hit their 5y before Apr 2026 there is indeed that glimmer of hope. But, for everyone else, brace for impact, this ride is coming to an abrupt stop.

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How can the Court rule on the constitutionality of a draft which is not even law, and not even been through the legislative process. ? Makes zero sense.

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Is there a link to an article or the ruling? like I cannot believe they are ruling on a draft :grimacing:.

Could it be mixed up with: the President of Assembly admitted Chega’s draft without consulting subcommittee of constitution affair?

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according to Gemini: The Portuguese government presented a draft law with significant changes to the Nationality Law to the Assembleia da República (Parliament) on June 25, 2025 .1

While the Council of Ministers approved these proposals on June 23, 2025, they are not yet enacted into law .2 They are now subject to the legislative process, which includes:

  • Parliamentary debate, voting, and consensus-building.3
  • Legal refinement through specialty discussions.4
  • Presidential review and approval.
  • Official publication into law.

The timeline for final approval is uncertain and could take several months .5 Some sources indicate that parliamentary approval might take 3-6 months, especially given the need for broader consensus as the current government does not hold an absolute majority. Presidential elections in January 2026 could also influence the timeline if discussions extend into that period.6

Therefore, while the proposals have been put forward, the Assembly’s vote and the ultimate implementation of these changes are still pending and will occur after a thorough legislative process."

NG discussions and the GV petition WhatsApp groups are mysteriously blessed with false rumors and trolling. Unless a notable and unprecedented claim references a source, I regard it as a product of hysterical imagination, or possibly another salvo in a malicious campaign of demoralization.

The admins just ejected one of the gloating doomer-trolls from the petition WhatsApp group last night.

Huh? The Constitutional Court conducts reviews of legislation after a law has been passed. The law hasn’t even been voted on yet.

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Don’t repeat ai nonsense without verifying it yourself holy shit

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Sorry for the false alarm!

its their Big, Beautiful Bill equivalent…

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