its going to look pretty bad in terms of PR if ARI are the only ones excluded from the 10 year requirement. They would have to grandfather all residence permits IMO.
I agree, but also does anyone realistically think they would grandfather all resident applicants or even all resident permit holders? In my extremely uneducated opinion that feels unlikely if immigration is something they want to get in front of like theyâre saying. That would mean this new law would take ~5 years to have any meaningful effect.
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I can see MI getting 10 (CPLP MI at 7). and everyone else stays at 5.
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If you go ahead, please tell me youâre investing in an open-ended fundâŠ
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Iâm in nearly the same position - definitely considering an open-ended fund. But even still, subscription costs, tax consequences of realising gains to get the money, first instalment of legal fees, etc. It still amounts to a decent sum of money.
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Why is this so hard to understand? It is bad PR for the government to make a promise and to break that promise. The government has a valid reason to exclude ARIâŠthey need to honor their commitment to investors.
If anyone should be the most upset and vocal, it should be any company looking for foreign investors. On the whole, ARI investor numbers are small and fairly short term. I think going forward, foreign investors will have pause before they invest anything that might involve any kind of trust in the laws in Portugal if ARI visas arenât grandfathered.
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Changes to the Nationality Law approved this Monday in the Council of Ministers also determine that a child will only be Portuguese if the parents have already lived legally in the country for three years, and must make this request.
Important: The residence period now starts counting from the date the residence permit is granted, not from the date of initial application.
Gg folks
The golden visa has never promised citizenship, just legal residence. Itâs the companies marketing golden visa investments that promised citizenship. Though you can make the argument that the only reason someone would want a residency card that allowed you to not live in the country is to obtain the citizenship (which of course is why we all wanted it in the first place).
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I wouldnât know, but considering that the U.S. is currently testing the constitutional limits on nearly daily basis, this is not a unique occurance.
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thank you! Everybody in here is acting like this is a done deal!
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I donât mean to get argumentative (not that it matters to the issue whether we do or do not 
), but this âpromiseâ/benefit would still be valid if and when the law changes. They never committed that it will always be 5 years.
I do agree of course, that in spirit, that is what they were trying to lure us with.
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I do not see it looking âpretty badâ at all.
Look, they already propose a more favorable treatment for CPLP, and they already want to grandfather ARI for family reunification. What difference does it make for âPRâ to an average voter if they learn about the ARI families being grandfathered only, vs the whole ARI business being grandfathered? And honestly, do you think an average voter would analyze the fine print? The average voter is supposed to get happier as long as the masses of immigrants are going to be somehow restricted. Grandfathering some miniscule categories like EU Blue Card/ ARI / âhighly qualifiedâ is going to be a non-issue.
After all, the people on the street always knew that some people are treated special, like some skilled footballers can just get a citizenship in a few days and go play in the World Cup. I have not seen any demonstrations in protest to that
Not that it would be anything unique. There was a time not too long ago when the UK had generally 6 years to citizenship, but for a certain amount of cash it could be cut to 3, while for even some more cash it could be cut to 2 years (if my memory serves me right, or it could have been 2 and 1 years, but you get the point). Again, no mass protests on the streets of LondonâŠ
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Hi
I read this in the post above. Does this apply to ARI. And for us as GV applicants
Thanks
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i dont know anything anymoreâŠ
My take is that the only concession is for CPLP. Everyone else gets thrown into the 10yr bucket. They even removed the special (lenient) rules for Shepherdic Jews.
Not to be a Debby downer, but ARI holders are not going to win any special exemptions when it comes to naturalization. The current government has a very strong âIDGAFâ attitude toward foreigners. The only reason the CPLP folks get some leniency is because they have friends and family who are citizens and can swing votes. The only way ARI folks will get any special treatment is if law firms lobby hard to advocate for them. But, imho, itâll be in the âtoo little, too lateâ zone of influence.
GG. It was a fun dream. See you all in 10 years to find out if any stuck through it for all those years. I wonât.
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I mean iâd wait for a final publication of the law but yeah if itâs 10 years, Iâm out as well. Fâ â â that.
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My lawyer replied with this -
âit is equally also clear from the outset, the Nationality Law is a separate piece of legislation that can be amended at any time and any changes taking place will/would always be applicable to those that will/would still apply for citizenship.â
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