You can get a permanent pr in greece for a husband and wife for 8k euro, one off. Ur kids get a temp residence till 24 years of age. So greece is almost 10 to 15 percent of the cost. I m exiting portugal and going to greece
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PT offers a path (of questionable duration) to citizenship without tax residency. Greece does not. PT doesn’t have NHR anymore, but have you factored in the cost of tax residency?
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People here opted Portugal for its passport, not for PR. The ultimate target is obtaining european passport!
If your ultimate target is european PR, then Portugal is a wrong choice!
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Isn’t it true that with Greece you must essentially reside in the country, wherein Portugal we only have a spend a couple of weeks a year. My ultimate goal for my family is an EU passport. So Portugal still seems to be the better option if we are not residing full-time in the country, even though it’s going to take forever.
I don’t really understand what the difference is in the GV PR and the Temp GV, other than I guess it doesn’t have to be renewed. Is that correct?
Once you have PR you don’t need to keep your investment.
Ugh. of course it went up. coughing > $20k for PR for my wife and I… man.
Yeah, but the differential is EUR 168/yr. Your payback period on the 8840 is 52 years… 
And that’s not counting lawyer fees either.
Frankly, if there is a path to do so, I’d seriously consider flipping to normal PR and just dealing with the on-ground requirements to save the money. If I’m not there enough to maintain the 30-in-3, I probably don’t care enough about keeping residency in the first place. I’m just not sure if there is one.
How do you get that? Once you’re on renewals, temp GV is €1578.9 / year, GV PR is €884.14 / year. Almost half.
Annual GV PR cost should calculated from 8840/5, in comparison of continuous ARI renewal cost.
Depends how long you keep renewing. € 8.840,00 is only the first 5 years of PR. After that € 4.420,70 for each subsequent 5 years.
I totally agree with you. The reason i went to portugal is to secure passports for my kids whose age is now 11 and 14. I applied 4 years ago and still no biometrics. My only concern is that the kids will age out and wont be qualified for passport under the new law, if it passes, and there is a a big risk that they dont even get the permanent residence, hence, considering my kids wont get the passport anymore, might be better to go to greece since for me, i just need permanent access to europe which greece gives from day one with a fraction of the cost. If u think my kids still have a chance under the new law,if it passes, to get a passport, happy to hear ur thoughts
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I am sure that you kids still have chance. The only difference is that now they have to wait longer. They will have to meet 10 years and have B1/B2 Portugues in order to apply for citizenship. It’s unlikely that Portugal will increase 10 years to 20 years for the future requirement. However, if you still want to have passport without living in the country, it is the way to go. If you have already lowered the target from “citizenship” to “PR”, then stay firm with the new target Greece PR.
In case you can afford it, then do both. Stil keep chasing Portugal Passport Dream while getting Greece PR.
Have they confirmed in the new law now its B1/B2, when I applied it was A2, what about for PR? is it still A2?
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No they did not. No change to language requirements.
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Not in the law, but A2 isn’t written into the law either, is it? So when they develop the new test it could be B1/B2.
Ok, I forgot it’s 2 years on a temp, not 3. I’m not sure where 3 came from. Payback still takes a good while though.
I suppose of course there’s also lawyer fees for the renewals assuming you go that route, plus the risk of changing requirements - yes, requirements can always change, but I expect it’s harder to get away with changing the requirements for a PR once you have it versus for a TR.
I you mean the new ‘civic test’ then sure, we’d need to see if/when it becomes regulated. But I doubt they’d make a change to the language requirement as part of creating the new civic test. (well, all of this is a speculation at this point as there is still no new LdN in force).
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Given that it is the same requirement – “Comprovarem, através de teste ou de certificado, conhecer suficientemente a língua e a cultura portuguesas, a história e os símbolos nacionais” – they would have running room.
A2 is written into the current regulations
I wonder if knowledge of Portuguese to A2 level would be sufficient to pass a civics test, or would applicants need to have a much better command of the language? Could this new test be a de facto change to a language requirement?
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Interesting you should ask the question. I had cause to many times wonder during my recent EdPro course whether it was not also a civics one. We covered things like the national anthem, how AIMA (is supposed to) works, applying for jobs, hospital system, some history, pastel de nata, etc etc.
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