If they will train the AI on their own behaviour and timelines we׳re in troubleā¦
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I like this idea. Iām also gonna write a bunch of letters to the ministers responsible for this and send them in to their postal address.
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Not directly related to GV processing but still a step in right direction by the new government. A sign that minds with basic common sense are in driving seat. Hopefully, they take note of the plight of us investors majority of whom come with clean backgroundā¦intent, and ability to contribute to portugal.
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I have a campaign idea in mind to try and approach the new government. They seem to be far more responsive to investment and I believe once they are made aware of how the bureaucracy is treating investors, they are far more likely to take action.
If we can get a petition or open letter going on, that would be great! Anyone have any ideas?
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Nope, not a single pre-approval came in last 2 months. Can anybody else also check with their lawyer and if they could connect with someone in AIMA, what is the feedback from that source (officially and unofficially)?
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This GV process ladies and gentlemen, is currently not going anywhere and while there are some who r ok and reconciled with this sorry state of portuguese affairs and extremely happy with the anticipated returns on their investments but I for one am gonna crib and complain. Any info from any of ur lawyers or other sources is welcome. At least it will help put things in perspective.
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I agree with your proposal and we should initiate this at earliest .
Strongly agree. We should seize this opportunity. The how, not so sure. But there was an org that helped with the Mais HabitaĆ§Ć£o oppositionā¦. @tkrunning , any ideas?
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On the Americans and Friends PT facebook page Iām seeing that recently even D7 biometrics appointments are being cancelled / delayed due to AIMA having IT issues. So I think things have gotten worse for everyone because previously D7 got very rapid approval compared to GV.
If youāre writing a letter, be sure to include this fellow:
Publico - April 5, 2024
Portugal no longer has a State Secretariat for Migration. Looking at the structure of the new Government, the word āmigrationsā does not appear associated with any State secretariat. The portfolio is directly dependent on the new Minister of the Presidency, AntĆ³nio LeitĆ£o Amaro.
- His official bio is here (Harvard Law graduate, so at least has some sense of the world outside Portugal).
- Official contact form is here (select āMinistro da PresidĆŖnciaā), but perhaps an old-fashioned letter in the post would be useful as well.
As I noted in the āAIMA takes over SEFā thread, his Ministry made comment on last weekās protest at AIMA (āpromote a rigorous assessment of the extinction of SEF,ā etc.).
A few other points you may want to leverage in your letters:
- āThe minister also said that he is monitoring the situation, in contact with various authorities.ā
- The aim, according to the government, is to adopt the principle that Portugal āis a country with doors open to immigration, but not wide open, materialized in quantitative objectives for immigration, weighing up the dimension of security, prioritizing in terms of qualifications and avoiding exploitation by illegal and criminal networks.ā
- ā¦the agency will have to adapt to ensure that it has the necessary means and skills to perform these functions of attracting and retaining national talent, the program reads, without specifying whether this paragraph refers to the Agency for Integration, Migration and Asylum, created in October 2023.
- (see article below for moreā¦)
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I would sign
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So few messages nowadays. Even I come in to check only once a week now. These delays have washed away all the excitement and motivation for this GV.
Anyway, came to inform you that my lawyers sent an email. Three key points:
- As per them June 2022 applications are being processed.
- Two lawyer bodies, OSAE and Portuguese Lawyers bar association, have been formally allowed to help with application analysis to hasten the process, and
- Citizenship application clock to start earlier as the law is in force now, but exactly from āwhenā is still not clear.
Wishing us all the best.
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As if they said nothing useful
Thanks for this. I must say, Iām surprised by (3). My understanding was that the law change was very clear about the āwhenā - the date of application.
The debate remains about when the āapplicationā takes place in the context of the ARI. Is it when you file initially online and pay the analysis fee, or is it when you sit in front of the AIMA official and sign all the forms? Iāve read opinions from good lawyers that take different views on this. We assume the coming regulations will clear this up; if not, it will probably be for the courts to rule.
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Thanks for the update. Iām looking forward to at least 3 pre-approvals from June 2022 here before concluding theyāre back at it. Just a teeny tip - you can āWatchā this thread, so youāll be notified by e-mail when thereās a reply, without needing to check often.
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Ah, thanks Chris. Iāve never set in front of officials to sign application forms, so presumably that was done via lawyers under proxy?
Yes, some lawyers sign for you under power of attorney. But either way itās done at the biometrics stage. (From memory, the law says that this formal application process has to be done in Portugal which is why you canāt do biometrics at an embassy.)
Thanks.
Seems odd that they would change the law for the purposes of ameliorating the very slow processes, only to have the start date be after a very slow process. Took forever for my biometrics, and my partner still isnāt there, 2 years laterā¦
Agreed, except itās not being done for us, itās being done to help mainly Brazilian applicants for other residence types. Weāre just a by-product of a general change in the law.
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