Early Applications for Citizenship

[nnl (The Accountant)]

@benjamin.hatten

What firm are you using

E dge International

[loheiman]

Interesting strategy of filing the applications in person to avoid the preliminary review.

I do wish the constitutional court would just make it legal to file before all requirements are met as that would serve as a solution to extremely long processing timelines.

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

Yeah, I am not sure what that statement really meant

@What impact will the Constitutional Court ruling and new President have on the Nationality Law?

The online application portal for lawyers does a pre-assessment on an applicant’s eligibility for naturalization.

Sounds like some lawyers bashing the other lawyers.

And @nnl has just submitted early online so what’s with the ‘pre-assessment’? (although if I were him I would have waited at least until mid-April for the A2 but the best of luck to him anyway)

[portugalwanderer (Terrence Biggs)]

@tommigun

Sounds like some lawyers bashing the other lawyers.

100%

As for early, the government has already signaled that they plan to reject these. Can this be appealed? Maybe.

I am not so sure about the “pre-assessment”. Are you telling me that IRN has AI built into its systems that scan the filings and determines if they are adequate? I don’t believe it. Possibly they mean a “self certification process”?

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

@portugalwanderer

As for early, the government has already signaled that they plan to reject these.

Where did you spot that? Can you share the source?

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

@portugalwanderer

Are you telling me that IRN has AI built into its systems that scan the filings and determines if they are adequate? I don’t believe it.

Of course not. And how can IRN do the ‘pre-assessment’ of the 5-year term of the candidate if they need to obtain this info in the form of CdT from AIMA, which in itself takes 3 years?
That’s why I said what I think it is

[PTbound (A L)]

@tommigun

how can IRN do the ‘pre-assessment’ of the 5-year term of the candidate

I assume it’s not as simple as counting 5 years from the issue date of your Título de Residência that you enter (honestly, obviously) on the IRN’s Modelo 6.1 application form?

Presumably the online platform that lawyers use to file Nationality applications checks that date??

@Andrew77

First, it is important to observe that the current [online] platform through which citizenship applications are filed has mandatory fields relating to the residence permit – number and validity - data that those without cards do not have - so the submission of an application under these conditions would always have to be made with certain abstract data or left blank.

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

This date is irrelevant because the 5 years are counted from the date of application, not from the date of the first card issuance.

That beside the point that the card data entered here would NOT be the first card in most cases.

[nnl (The Accountant)]

@tommigun

(although if I were him I would have waited at least until mid-April for the A2 but the best of luck to him anyway)

Thanks @tommigun, thanks for the wishes. Trust me, I would have waited too. But mid-April, the course concludes and the certificate issuance takes longer. I just took a chance.

[portugalwanderer (Terrence Biggs)]

@tommigun

Where did you spot that? Can you share the source?

They did not say this explicitly, but was some new procedures shared in a recent meeting of stakeholders. Unfortunately I dont have a link or transcript of the meeting.

[selimakin (Selim)]

if this was asked-answered before, sorry for the repetition.
in person over-the-counter citizenship applications, do they check the initial application date (paid DUC) during the intake at IRN?
2024 ‘residency clock starts from initial application’ ruling was never regulated, therefore I believe the date still refers to the first card on the application.

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

@selimakin

I believe the date still refers to the first card on the application.

You believe wrong..

[servettasman]

hi Tommy. so, resident since date on the citizenship application is now (since 2024 April) the initial application date, is that right?

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

No, in the case of ARI it’s the date of the initial application analysis DUC payment.

[servettasman]

got it, I should have explicitly stated ARI above.

[Lala]

IRN USER MANUAL FOR LAWYER’S ONLINE SUBMISSIONS

Dropping this here in case someone finds it useful to know what the online submission process and interface looks like for lawyers.

manual-do-utilizador-prof-irn_nacionalidade_v2.pdf (1.7 MB)

[PTbound (A L)]

@Lala

IRN USER MANUAL FOR LAWYER’S ONLINE SUBMISSIONS

Great find!

Couple interesting bits in that deck…

p18: “O sistema não valida o conteúdo do documento (estes são analisados depois pela Conservatória).”

p35: “No caso da análise da Conservatória ser bem sucedida, ou seja, não detetar nenhum erro/lacuna, o pedido é então “finalizado” e dá entrada na base de dados do sistema de suporte à tramitação dos processos de nacionalidade.
Quando esta validação ocorre, o pedido em causa deixa de estar em “Análise IRN” e passa para o tabulador dos “Submetidos””

[layover_guy (M M)]

Based on new information and session Schedueled in April, what do you guys guestimate is the last date to submit early application under the current regime/law?

I am trying to delay it as much as possible and submit at last minute/day to get highest chance. I complete 5 years from date of application in December 2026 so about 8 months early still.

[tommigun (Tommy Gunn)]

Good news is that your 8 months are not really that in the Parliament’s calendar, due to the summer recess from approx 15 Jun to Sep, so it’ll be more like 6-7 months. But still a lot I know..

[jb4422 (J B)]

15 June is a ways from now, it seems like they might get something done before then.