Greenview/Verge - Global Citizen Solutions & NSM Lawyers

First, really appreciate all of the support and information in this community.

Does anyone have knowledge or experience in the above real estate investment (Greenview by Verge in CohilhĂŁ) or with NSM Lawyers via GCS?

Ultimately, we are being told a bank account cannot be created in time given the law change and we need to use NSM Lawyers’ bank account as escrow. Our bank is rightfully skeptical and we truly have no way to prove NSM is a real law firm or that the investment property exists (we live in the U.S.).

The agreements we were provided by NSM were frankly rather bare bones and unsophisticated compared real estate/refurbishment contracts in the U.S., but that is not necessarily a reason to be skeptical on its own.

All that being said, is anyone else here engaged with NSM or the Greenview Project? Would love some information and reassurance so we can make a strong argument to the bank to move forward.

Appreciate any comments or criticism =)

Law firm seems to have the permit:

It doesn’t hurt to hire another lawyer to do a due-diligence and a second opinion.

Thank you Tommy, was not aware that can be searched. What permit is this?

Any suggestion of an attorney who can provide a quick look at our transaction? A Google search does not produce much direction from this far away.

I’ve been happy with Catarina Garrett at AGPC investments

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NSM is my law firm completed my first ARI process. But I did not use their escrow account.

NSM is one of the law firm which Bordr.io uses so they are legit.

Thank you, is that bordr.com?

NSM is legit (nsmadvogados.pt) but I would suggest that hurrying into something you are uncomfortable about based on advice from the internet is just a really bad idea in any event.

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Yes, that’s correct

Hi @jordan.reis.cohen !

I am also looking to work with GCS, and I am also very interested in the Green View building in Covilha. Have you decided to purchase a unit from Green View? Can I dm you for some questions? Thanks a lot!

I had a brief look at Green View when we were looking and was introduced to the developer. He was helpful but we decided to say by the coast so didn’t pursue it.

I do not have experience with your project. I do have experience with the law firm of Nuno Sousa Moniz in Lisbon, which goes by “NSM”. If that is the firm you mean, then I can say I have used them for my GV application process. They did a good job, though there was one “miss” in the application process that required us to submit one supplemental document after our biometrics appointment. I honestly can’t speak to their other capabilities, because we invested in a VC fund, not real estate. I hope this helps!

I’m two years into the process, using GCS as my agency, though I’ll note that I have no idea about Greenview/Verge as I’m a 2021 applicant. My experiences with GCS have been mostly adequate, but definitely be prepared to do your own research and chase down responses. They were very informative when selecting from investment funds, organising the opening of a bank account, etc, so top marks early in the process.

Now that we’re a ways in, unfortunately my lawyer there has become very non communicative and will basically only give you any information or updates if you repeatedly chase her down for answers, which can be frustrating. We’ve also been given conflicting information on more than one occasion regarding the documents we needed to provide, which ultimately slowed down our biometrics and family reunification processes. It’s ultimately fallen on us to struggle through SEF regulations to figure out what she actually wants, and in one case upload the documents directly to the ARI portal myself. So, certainly not the case that we feel like it’s being handled super well now, but it’s a bit late in the process to try to change attorneys.

On a whole I am not sure if I would recommend them to you. I wouldn’t say there are enough red flags to recommend avoiding them, but I wouldn’t exactly give them a glowing review, at least not in the later stages of the process.

Thanks for the information. We had some initial discussions with GCS as we just started and like you, the engagement was fantastic. We were worried that would drop off as the person we were talking to wasn’t going to be the person handling our case after we signed on. We wound up using others but this is good validation of our concern. Hope it gets better after this rush is done.

Jordan.reis.cohen, did you get any additional information about Greenview?

I heard from the developer that the last unit was sold.

Not really. We were able to confirm through third party counsel we hired that the project and developer were real, but that’s about it. We went ahead with it, recieved our deed, and our application was submitted a bit over a month ago. I’m not convinced the unit will ever sell for what we paid, but the goal here is not to make money, as nice as that would be.

We did find a way to expedite forming a bank account, so we did not have to use NSM as escrow. It was a bit odd both GCS and NSM were not able to offer getting such an account quickly but a small indpedent attorney was able to.

There were many bumps along the way, pretty much at every step, but since the deed was executed things have been smooth so far with the application and GCS has been thourough as far as I can tell, notifying us of each development and giving us login credentialsto SEF to monitor the application.

Much of this is being done through faith as we havent put boots on the ground yet, but we have 3 sets attorneys and corroborated info from this website and other sources, so fingers crossed.

Hi, we went to Portugal over the holidays and stopped by Covilha to see the Greenview project that we invested in. The demo seems mostly done but there doesn’t seem to be work actively taking place right now.


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Sadly, this is a real problem. Portugal is littered with half-developed properties, abandoned because of financial problems. There is a huge development in Lagos, right on the water, a prime location, that stands half-built and empty, and has done so since probably 2008 - the place literally has multiple signs on it saying “soon - new hotel!” “soon - different new hotel!” - both faded, and these were major brands. There are multiple buildings in Sao Martinho do Porto that stand half-built and have clearly been that way for a while, and these are in locations that are obviously desirable.

When I first looked into all this, I was interested in the real estate path and there were many many developments being offered - but it started to feel like what was happening was that projects were being proposed but no one was able to show how the thing was going to get funded, or when it would get done. It is possible for example that the development in question here is out of cash money and waiting for more investors to contribute capital so that development can resume. This is frankly why if someone is going to do real estate I tend to think Mercan is the best path - simply because their funding model is clear, they can front the money to do the development and accept some of the risk, and they have a proven track record of executing. Too many of these investments… that’s unclear.

I eventually purchased into a development project - not for GV, but because we wanted the apartment. However, I watched it getting built - I was able to see it over the course of a year and thus saw that yes people were working on it continually, it was backed by a major firm doing business across the Silver Coast, and the contract included a “completed-by” with a penalty for non-performance. As it was, they barely made that timeline.

Of course you might call me paranoid. I had lunch with my lawyer and my fund manager, and I make a point of trying to drop in and say hi when I am there - Portugal runs on personal relationships. I eyeballed my property multiple times before investing a dime. For one real estate investment I was considering, I hired a third party assessment firm (Prime Yield) to go physically onsite inspect it before even considering it.

(It was telling to me that, when I did have lunch with my lawyer, she said either she’d never had a client meet her in person before, or I was one of very few, I can’t recall exactly. It was a really nice lunch.)

I would not lean on your lawyer to make such judgments. Certainly not NSM. They explicitly stated at the beginning of my journey with them that investments are not their expertise on the whole and while they offered contacts to potential investments, they passed no judgment on them; they were there to help and advise on the process, not the investment. Which I think is the right answer. I personally have been well served by NSM, and having interviewed and priced out several firms at the beginning of the process, can say that NSM has provided value for money.

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I agree with what you said. Unfortunately, it is not just a possibility but a reality. Developers build from the foreign investors’ money. The progress follows the numbers of investors. If they cannot attract anymore investors, then the projects are like ghost building in China. Consequently the investors from the “first phase” have to absorb all the broken promises (properties will not be delivered on time; or design/quality is not as good as expected due to lack of fund;…) and they cannot escape because they already paid in something and developers will never refund the money even when the developers do not strictly follow the terms & conditions of the contract. It is just like GV process, the government are always ready to receive your money, but in return they are never ready to deliver their promise.