Hey for those of you who moved to Portugal after getting your ARI and are in the process of renewing, I have a couple specific questions:
I’ve heard from several folks that the ARI for real estate investment is being renewed as a “D2” at a lower fee. Is there anyone who has recently renewed where that HASN’T been the case?
I’ve been avoiding submitting a renewal request on the portal because I applied for citizenship 15 months ago, and while I realize I still probably have over a year to go, I don’t want to renew the ARI again, at the current cost. Any idea what the options would be if I applied for the renewal and they didn’t offer the lower fee?
For clarity, we received our first residency cards in early 2019 and have already completed 2 renewals, so a third makes no sense.
(I’ve also reached out to 3 attorneys for help and got ghosted by 2 and one quoted us €5000 to ask for a change in residence type).
Same but all indicators are that the stages are incorrect. When the migration to the new system happened, some people got bumped forward. Some of them got moved back but not everyone.
From what I know they are processing by entry date so the stage may be correct especially for an electronic filing because the information they want is basic and easily verified as present by a basic AI program, especially with the law firm on the hook for authenticity. Now that the count is from date of application with no check on dates post the first 2020 extension all that needs to be verified is time in country prior to first automatic extension and the availability of the required docs.
The final decision is taken by a human who verifies the above. Its not much of a verification as IRN staff are required to average 50 decisions per day to be eligible to approx double their salaries. 5 minutes to check is what they have.
That’s very much not what I have heard. What I’ve been told is that the request has to be sent to all the agencies, and some take longer to verify than others.
In addition, I have friends who bounced to stage 3 immediately after the migration and then went back to stage 1, and my husband has been stuck at stage 1 for almost a year. It seems very arbitrary to me.
AIMA - we know about them and they have been the holdup with the contagem de tempo which in the past they have not given in a timely manner and they have been the bottleneck. To this fact - if you have renewed correctly until the extensions started then they have little role as your stay and any gaps in residence cards are presumptively ok.
Sometime in 2024 around Aug they stopped ‘accepting’ entries into the system and applicants thereafter are stuckin limbo.
Notwithstanding what you may have been told they are processing valid (complete) applications in strict order of entry (give or take based on which agent and completeness).
Anyway, as someone who is bow 65 but has lived in India, US, France, UAE, Malta, Korea and PT - so long as you are not at risk of being jailed dor sometging you did not do it does not matter. If u have the dough to buy a GV you have a Schengen visa for the times you are in the EU but not in Portugal, or you have a passport which gives you visa free entry to the Eurozone.
I have the same question - am I certain to get a D2 fee vs GV fee? My lawyer said no, but she often doesn’t know the latest. I wonder if I can turn my GV renewal appointment into the PR appointment I’ve been waiting for - just don’t want to pay 12.000 euros for renewals when I’m so close to PR (already applied) and am waiting for citizenship (already applied)