What's the potential impact of the 2025 Portuguese election on the Golden Visa program and pathway to citizenship?

This is the real problem. It isn’t ok to be rich. I’ve written about this before, at least in passing, but it’s worth mentioning again because it’s really relevant to all of what is happening. But I cringe every time I pulled out my residence card that said ARI on it, and am glad that at least now it got flipped to a D2 so it doesn’t look as bad.

I’d say this is a product of Portuguese history. Until fairly recently, there was a massive divide between the landed elites and the common person. Yes, that used to be true lots of places elsewhere in Europe, but Portugal was bad. The fall of the Holy Roman Empire meant nothing this far out on the Iberian peninsula because it was never part of it. The sole long term impact of the French Revolution was the lines of Torres Vedras getting built to defend against Napoleon. The British often treated Portugal like a colony. The “republican revolution” just turned the nobility into landed gentry without changing the system or its basic premises. Then the Estado Novo froze the entire country in a paternalistic bubble for most of the 20th century and so they missed the entire post-war boom and the Pax Americana. Let’s not forget that Salazar was the sort of person who thought that education beyond the 3 Rs was wasted on the common man, and news of the outside world was bad for you if not filtered appropriately.

In other words, the only rich people around were the folks oppressing the masses. Until recently - and 50 years counts as recent - hard work never got you anything but more hard work - you got rich through who you knew or who you buttered up or taking advantage of others or just outright corruption. And it’s still true to fair extent - look at the continual corruption scandals, both in and out of government.

They never had a Rockefeller or Carnegie or Gates who, while being rich bastards, still at least built libraries and universities and at least tried to do something towards the common good.

The capitalism they’re experiencing and learning from is the modern version of it which to many I imagine is starting to look like crony capitalism; there isn’t the history running around in their heads like we have of what it could or should be, and the basic mindset of the country runs socialist - except for Chega, which may as well be channeling aspects of Salazar.

It’s only been 50 years. Cultures and memories do not change overnight.

There’s a lot more I can say here, but I can’t go on forever. The point is, they’re just not coming at it from the same backdrop we are, and it’s a real problem to which it’s unclear that there is any great solution.

(I don’t claim to be an expert here. I have a lot of history books to read yet. This is just what I’ve gotten from the couple I’ve read. And I know I’m grossly oversimplifying since this isn’t exactly a topic I’ve done heavy research into, I just agree it’s there.)

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It’s so frustrating.

I assume the years she waited were counted, so she’s done the time but won’t turn 18 (for a 6.1 application) before the law changes?

There’s Art 2, which will kick in as soon as you get citizenship. Some challenges with this route:

  • Art 6.1 citizenship applications are taking around 3 years, so that takes her to 20 before she’s applying.
  • Art 2 applies to children under 18 or incapacitated (thanks @anonymous69). IRN has said that the key element is that the child is dependent on the Portuguese parent. (Apologies for the earlier confusion - I have a complex situation with one child potentially earning more than minimum wage, so a bit off on a tangent).
  • Art 2 applications are currently taking close to 4 years to process.

One good thing is that once you have citizenship your daughter can reunify to you (an EU citizen) until 21 or after for as long as she’s dependent. This means she can apply for 5 year temporary residence under Art 15 and has a range of EU level protections.

Finally, once she turns 18 she can apply for permanent residence. That would insulate her from whatever madness the PT might unleash over the next years and keep her on the citizenship track.

I’m sure you know all of this already. Let me know if you have any other ideas.

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The original law was Diário da República, 1.ª série — N.º 154 — 9 de agosto de 2012 . 0419104256.pdf
According to my research, (unverified) the general debate and voting on the general principles took place on July 5, 2012, during the 70th plenary session of the Assembly of the Republic (published in the Diário da Assembleia da República, I Série, n.º 71). The final vote, article by article, occurred later, leading to the law’s promulgation on August 9 and entry into force on October 8, 2012.

There are almost certainly debates on this topic from 2012 in DAR, but I can’t find them. Debates Parlamentares - Assembleia da República / 3ª República

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Very interesting. It’s been striking to me how discrete wealthy Portuguese are. They are not at all flashy (even while they are very snobby - lineage matters a lot, like 100’s of years). So even for them “buying” a passport would be frowned on and FWIW some of them are amongst Chega’s biggest supporters.

On a different tack, people weren’t just living under Salazar - they were shipped off to Africa to fight his wars. And then there were the retornados, who arrived here as refugees, not having lived in Portugal for generations. I feel like that has to have an impact - and maybe it’s why Franco didn’t have the same impact in Spain as the Salazar years did in Portugal?

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Whaaaa?
Maybe you haven’t noticed all the BMW cars ?

Your response was really useful - thank you!

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Haha, I suppose context matters. Where I come from black BMW’s would not be considered flashy.

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Are you sure about this? The law says minor or incapable. I think that might mean eg mentally disabled, not just dependent (still studying etc) which is enough for GV family reunification.

Os filhos menores ou incapazes de pai ou mãe que adquira a nacionalidade portuguesa podem também adquiri-la, mediante declaração.

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Absolutely right! Thanks for picking that up. Now corrected.

My current plan is to effectively pull out of the program, but since I’m in an illiquid fund I’m stuck for a couple more years. My cards expire in June 2026 and I have no plans to pay the fees to renew them or spend 2 weeks in Portugal. I am considering to apply for renewal (with no intention of actually doing the renewal) on the assumption that AIMA will continue to suck and therefore I won’t have any appointment for a long time. This would at least allow me to sit around in the very unlikely chance they realize they screwed up and change the law again? If I do happen to get an appointment, I can just blow it off. Does this seem like a viable strategy?

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I don’t know, I haven’t really looked into Spain at all to know anything about the Franco years. The retornados had an effect, and it certainly caused social unrest, but I’m not sure of its applicability along this particular line of travel. /shrug/

If any of you feel inclined to contribute to paid press. I am assuming many of you are in the WA groups as well.

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If any of you feel inclined to contribute to the “paid press”. I am assuming that many of “us” are int he WA groups as well

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Watch this video. There is a lot of explanation on the nationality law and a lot of hope on the president sending the law to constitutional court. Some discussion on grandfathering. Wonderful discussion by a parliament member organised by Liberty Legal. Thanks.

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Hi Lala, are you sure Art 2 is 4 years for minor children of naturalised parents? My lawyer told me it’s faster than many other routes. I’ve seen some lawyers say (and one applicant speak about this approach being used by their lawyer in their case), that the parent applies under 6.1 and the minor under 2 at the same time, and if you’re lucky they’ll be processed together?

In the Facebook PT nationality groups they sometimes post current backlogs from the various offices, and a recent post from Lisbon says they’re processing Article 2 filed in July 2022, so about 3.5 years right now.

Portugal does not suffer from a racial or religious problem in the modern sense, but from a deep-rooted identity problem. For centuries, the Portuguese population has been ethnically blended—with African, Moorish, and European bloodlines interwoven since medieval times—yet a rigid hierarchy of social and cultural identity persists. These invisible hierarchies stem not from biological difference but from the historical legacy of empire, the Catholic Church, and the conservative corporatist order built under António de Oliveira Salazar.

The Salazar regime, while authoritarian, provided the structural foundation of Portuguese society: a disciplined, hierarchical system that valued stability over innovation. Even after democratization and integration into the European Union, Portugal remained economically dependent and socially static, constrained by the habits and institutions inherited from that era. Thus, neither liberalization nor socialist redistribution can resolve the country’s underlying stagnation, because the real issue lies not in policy design but in the identity-based and historical structure of Portuguese society itself. Portugal’s predicament illustrates a broader pattern in post-imperial Europe, where nations burdened by historical hierarchies and cultural conservatism face limits to modernization that politics alone cannot overcome.

The strict control over the pace of investment immigration and the reform of the citizenship law essentially reflect Portugal’s core problem: the established and stable identity and social hierarchy, which it refuses to accept being disrupted or reshaped by external influences.

Finally, I want to say that since its historical alliance with Britain, its gradual relinquishment of industry, and its modern integration into the EU, relinquishing its own currency ownership, Portugal’s fate has been almost predetermined. From poverty to prosperity and back to poverty—this destiny is difficult to break.

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I’ve seen some lawyers and immigration agents say that it is possible to submit the Art 2 application at the same time as the parent (which makes perfect sense and seems like an obvious workflow solution), but I haven’t come across any reports of this working. It would be great to hear if there are and I’d certainly take the chance.

Attached is the latest update I can find for CRC Lisboa, where Art 2 applications go. IRN emphasises that processing date is when they start considering the files, not when decisions are made. My own 6.1 is now ~6 months beyond the given date at Porto. My child is 2 months short of 4 years - submitted when she was 15.

Because not gaining citizenship before 18 would have (and now will have) irreversible consequences, we took IRN to court after 2 years. Their response was basically that they only considered life and limb as a basis for urgency (this has been relaxed somewhat in their latest correspondence to me, but doesn’t help). We responded. They replied, and then the courts imploded and we’ve had no word for more than a year. Since then I’ve used every bit of cunha I could muster and written to every relevant government department, including corresponding directly with the IRN Conservador, and various people with influence. While there has been sympathy and some assistance to deal with the implications, it’s very clear that there is no speeding things up. I think only Benfica or the Catholic Church could make that happen (maybe not even the latter).

Finally, considering that most of the Art 6.1 and Art 6.7 processes that are currently backlogged will each likely result in more than one Art 2 application in coming years, I think it’s going to become even more of a bottleneck. So 4 years is not an unrealistic outer limit to plan around.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvSvbQxTTqU Portugal Citizenship Rules: What You MUST Know Now

from my lawyer avco legal.

backstory:

i applied gv june 2023
sued in april 2024
resolution of suit nov 2024 (meaning secured bio appointment)
got bios in january 2025 (for whole family)
gv card in april 2025 (for whole family)

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Note that all the stars aligned for you here @piggy - you were super lucky :four_leaf_clover:

Your lawsuit actually got a resolution (lucky), in your favour (lucky), just as the AIMA “new, new process” launched for 2025 (incredibly lucky!)… and which only ran for a couple months (Jan-Feb) before the “GV Backlog Recovery Support Unit” was diverted for political purposes (very lucky).

By way of contrast, our Bios were taken a week before the AIMA “new, new process” announcement last Christmas, and we still don’t have approval or cards (or our Citizenship clock ticking yet). Yes we sued and appealed - latter is in the rotting pile of 100,000+ suits somewhere.

Luck and chance are half the game in the PT GV :spade_suit: :diamond_suit: :club_suit: :heart_suit:

…oh, but somehow it’s fair to have our Citizenship clock start dates based on randomness like the above???

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