So tomorrow is D day, any word from the president or any rumours?
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Seems like the president is waiting for the last minute but I’m guessing things don’t look too good in terms of referring it to the constitutional court
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My understanding is, if they choose not to refer to constitutional court, there would simply be no release. Thus, the lack of a release at this late hour would suggest that it’s not going to constitutional court (which in my view was a fig leaf hope anyway). So, the next question is whether he promulgates or vetos, presumably it would be dumb to veto without sending to const court, so it seems inevitable it will be promulgated. Those who understand the Portuguese “system” can correct me.
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Long past 17h on the 21st here in PT now, and I’ve seen nothing in the news re: Seguro and the Nationality Law changes. Anybody else?
I can’t believe anybody thinks calculating your years for Citizenship based on a random number machine (AIMA) is constitutional 
Luís Montenegro and António José Seguro are entertaining Brazil’s President Lula da Silva in Lisbon today… with Chega and André Ventura outside protesting.
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Yup everyone is in on the scam.
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Are we sure about this? Or this law may be waiting with the other one which is sent to TC by PS? I know that law is a seperate law but maybe…
No, there appears to be confusion on 20 days.
The 20 days starts from 13 Abril. So the President has until 3 May.
Já estão na mesa do Presidente António José Seguro os dois diplomas relativos à Lei da Nacionalidade, [aprovados a 01 de abril] . Os textos foram enviados pelo Parlamento na segunda-feira, 13 de abril. Agora, começam a correr dois prazos: oito dias para que um partido peça a fiscalização ao Tribunal Constitucional (TC) e 20 dias para que o Presidente tome uma decisão .
Source: Começa o prazo: nova Lei da Nacionalidade está com o Presidente
To be clear, the Penal Code change is now in the TC process. The time for the Nationality Law change to be sent to TC has passed. Now the President has until May 3 to sign or veto, failing which it becomes law.
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believe that the Portuguese government does not give us any weight because we are not residents there, and therefore we cannot organize protests on the streets to make our voices heard or to object to the way we have been treated. What we have experienced feels like deception. At the moment, we are only a “voice phenomenon” on social media. I think it might be useful to launch a hashtag that reflects our situation and expresses our protest against the way the Portuguese government has treated us and what we have been subjected to.
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believe that the government is effectively steering us to focus only on challenging the nationality law, while in reality our position there is relatively weak, since the nationality law is legally distinct from the Golden Visa framework.
In my view, as a first step, we have a stronger and more legitimate basis to challenge the delays in granting us our Golden Visa residence permits. These delays have directly resulted in postponing our eligibility for permanent residence and, in practice, forcing us to maintain our investments for up to ten years, whereas the law clearly states a five-year requirement.
Since we have fully complied with all the Golden Visa conditions, we should not be penalized for delays caused by the government. Therefore, I believe we have the right to request that the residency period be counted from the date of application, not from the date of issuance of the residence card.
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Considering the fact that the Permanent Residency after 5 years rule is part of the GV law, perhaps we could sue to have them give it to us 5 years + 90 days from our date of application, since their own laws say thats the longest its supposed to take.
Would love to see us focus lobbying effort there, since the Nationality issue is a much bigger issue than Golden Visas and we have a minor amount of sway there. Maybe even the supposedly business-friendly PSD could be open to counting Permanent Residency wait time from 90 days after application as a consolation prize to screwing us all over…
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Was thinking about that recently. Will be discussing further with lawyers.
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believe that we have the right to request obtaining permanent residency after five years from the date of application, because this is what was agreed upon and what was in force when we applied for the Golden Visa.
The Portuguese state does not have the right to require us to maintain our investment for ten years due to delays caused by their own authorities in issuing the Golden Visa residence card.
The process was supposed to take a maximum of ninety days from the date of application. However, we have now been waiting for four years. All that has been done so far is the biometrics, and we still do not know when we will receive our residence cards, nor when our families will even be scheduled for their biometrics.
Frankly, I find it surprising that this is happening in a European country—one that is expected to follow European legal standards known for respecting laws, commitments, and the protection of investors’ legitimate expectations.
Personally, and along with many others, I am seriously considering cancelling all investments and abandoning the Golden Visa altogether—even permanent residency—because it would be much easier to obtain permanent residency in another country, such as Greece, in a much shorter time compared to what we have experienced in Portugal, a country that I believed respects its laws.
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I think this may be the way forward
Re: permanent residency
My lawyer says that you can only apply for permanent residency 5 years after they issue the first card.
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Your lawyer is correct. The point being raised here is that many people had to wait several years to receive their first card when SEF had, by law, 90 days to process their initial application.
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We are in a technical grey zone.
“4 — Para os efeitos de contagem de prazos de residência legal previstos na presente lei, considera-se igualmente o tempo decorrido desde o momento em que foi requerida a autorização de residência temporária, desde que a mesma venha a ser deferida.”
Source: https://diariodarepublica.pt/dr/detalhe/lei-organica/1-2024-854130977
PSD just decided—when they took over April 2024–to not implement it. People blame Chega, but PSD screwed us.
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Everyone is trying to swindle money from investors. From Lawyers to shady funds to the government themselves. Surprised that they are a part of EU really.
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That’s only in regards to temporary residence visas.
There’s never been any changes or confusion w.r.t. permanent residency (what the last few posts above were discussing). PR has always been 5 years from first card.
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All of us know that , but what about waiting 4 years to get this card!!
At least we should not being requested to kelp our investment for another 5 years.
By the way we are still not getting the card and I am sure wee I’ll wait another year to get it AIMA problems are increased and we are at the end of their line
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