Thank you very much Chris for the information.
If the quoted paragraph is true, then it is a huge advantage as all of us want to exit the investment as soon as possible.
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Agreed, that’s a bit unclear
In my opinion, this sort of meeting will give zero result because all participant parties do not have any power to make decisions. Right after walking out of the meeting, it is highly likely that they do not even care or remember about what happen just 30 minutes ago.
About 6 months ago Mr. Leitão (chief of Aima) together with lawyers confirmed that initial counting time would be from the date of submission. Now, we all see and hear well his opinion and reaction about the proposed new citizenship law. In term of doing lips service, he is just a genius. Hat off to his exceptional skill and talent.
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My understanding is that starting the clock has been standard since the previous government passed a law to the that effect. The legislation currently being debated and scheduled for September would be to specifically repeal this law and extend the timeline. None of that has anything to do with AIMA or their processes, so I don’t think the personal attack is warranted.
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From my understanding, I hope you don’t mind, it means that they will be stricter with dependents. The main applicant will have to have a granted visa before a dependent will be granted theirs.
Currently, I believe main applicants and dependents can apply together or simultaneously. I think they’re saying that won’t be the case going forward
I agree that personal attacks or berating AIMA for whatever reason is not a productive approach. Perhaps some people do not care much as they already ‘passed the post’ but for all the rest of us who are still very much in the weeds this might be quite detrimental to the cause.
Especially now that the forum has become actively monitored by the government.
So I strongly suggest anyone wanting to vent their ‘frustration’ without offering any ideas or actions for a positive path forward, please can you kindly do it somewhere else in private. If you feel real itchy you may even type up a negative post but then don’t forget to press the ‘close’ or ‘discard’ button, it really helps.
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Tommigun- this is confusing. Does it mean that people who have not filed a lawsuit ARE subject to fines or blacklisting for staying in Portugal while awaiting the final decision; or does “case” refer to an application already in the system?
Advantage, yes. But remember, if the residence time increases to 10 years for nationality and we file for permanent residency after 5 years from application as a way of recouping our investment, the fee for GV permanent residency is 10,000 euros and heaven only knows how many years it will take for the permanent residency application to be approved. And if the law setting application date as the start of residency is indeed repealed, and we have already waited multiple years without approval, we will not be able to file for permanent residency or recoup our investment at anything close to the 5 years we anticipated when applying for our GV.
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Not so much “standard” as “random,” because the law never went all the way to actual regulation.
So far I have not seen anyone with GV PR. Statistics don’t lie.
That’s why I only said “advantage”. In addition to that, the probability for the “advantage” to become real is 0.0001% (or even less). Let’s see how AIMA develops and keeps its promise on this. Mark my words.
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Well, Earnest, I live in Portugal, have lived here for more than 3 1/2 years, am a Portuguese tax resident, pay segura social, and have been waiting for more than 4 years since application for my first Carta de Residencia. There are other GV applicants living in Portugal in the same situation. Do we not deserve protection from the Portuguese State?
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You promise someone something and they structure plan their lives around it, and you renege? If that’s not unfair to you, i don’t know what is
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I believe they are referring to submitted ARI applications as “cases” in this instance. Because they use the word “case” in bullet points 1 and 2 as well, which seem to be referring only to AIMA’s internal IT platform for processing GV applications, and not any other branch of government like the courts.
At least, that is my optimistic read as someone who would have relocated earlier, had it not been for the uncertainty around pending applications and the 90/180 rule. On the other hand, “scheduled” is a weird word to use for this, and does sound like a court case.
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I don’t actually want you to answer this here, but you mean you overstayed on a tourist visa?
There is no such thing as “overstay” for people who applied before Jan 1st, 2022.
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Jan 1st, 2022
As a 2022 applicant, learning about that cut off really stung. But it seems like this meeting may have granted me some hope…
That’s not how this has worked Ernest. Ever since Covid lockdowns started the bureaucratic backlog, there have been a patchwork of extensions and exceptions that have allowed some GV applicants to live and work in Portugal while still waiting for their first cards, some for years now. There are a lot of people who are stuck in that limbo. And it creates a unique set of legal problems that the government needs to resolve.
So Tommy - how does that work ?
If i spend 89 days elsewhere in the EU, & then rock into PT on the 90th, does it mean i can stay indefinitely (if I applied in late '21, & have also been in & out since several times since) ?
If you have a pending process with AIMA having applied before the year 2022 you can legally remain present in Portugal.
The law does not specify whether you can go in an out indiscriminately.
I’ve been watching this. Im currently at the fund my funds stage. Since the USD is so terrible right now I haven’t converted yet. With everything going on Im wondering do I just wait until September to see what Portugal and Malta end up doing? Maybe I could just go with Malta plus no language requirement. Downside Im sure if they do copy Portugal they will be more expensive.
We are also going to Turkey soon Im even thinking of doing their CIP but that’s more a gamble hoping in 10+ years they will swing left and be a democracy again.