Hello Kristina
Language e-ciple or being in PT schools is mandatory to get 100% chances + residency obviously.
Without language is like a gamble.
And yes my nephew has his application completed
(Article 2) documents submitted: e-ciple + Gv residency
(7 years in his case)
Honestly I don t think a conservator will look at a you tube video!
My lawyer was speaking to me firmly: no way to submit without a language e-ciple or being in PT school in PortugalâŠ
But told me something id it can help:
you can submit without the language certif at age 10 and since it takes 3 years -actually-to be granted under article 2) he can pass the e ciple at age 12 (2 years later and added it to the application file later on) âŠsince IRN don t reject systematically the cases submitted under article 2 (minors) but always ask for more evidences (language certif ) available at this time since your child has turned 12 at this moment and got his e-ciple
Nb: E-ciple 2 will be accomplished easily for a kid aged 12
Okay but suppose you have a child age 6 when you (parent) become a citizen. At this point they cannot renew GV, but suppose they already have a few years GV.
You can submit without e-CIPLE. Best case they approve since the kid is young.
Worst case they deny. Then you just wait for them to do e-CIPLE at age 12 and submit again? Even if they donât have GV, past GV years helps?
Only one thing that guarantees 100% is attending 5 years in a PT school.
Language certificate does improve the percentage of success. However, it is never equal to attending 5 years in school.
Lawyersâ words are not 100% valid. What is valid is what is stated on IRNâs website. If you look at what IRN points out in bullet point: it requires 5 years in PT school. It does NOT mention anything about language certificate.
Therefore, if your kids only have language certificates, it depends on the Irn conservador who analise the application. If he/she rejects, it is hard to argueâŠBut at least youâve tried your bestâŠ
Yes
Minors don t need to hold residency at the time of submission (article 2) unlike article 6.1.
That was my son s case
This is the correct answer correct I believe.
It is like getting CdT. Some offices interpret the rules different or ignore them altogether, but it doesnât mean the rules donât exist.
If refused you can apply multiple times right? If the child is young and you keep on adding more connections (language, visiting PT etc) then chance of eventually being approved before turning 18 seems high?
You can do whatever you want to improve the success rate. However, what IRN requires by bullet points is 100% clear: 5 years in PT school. No more no less. Your kid can try to obtain 3-4 language certificates, visit the country 3 times per year. But if it is not what IRN asks for, then donât be disappointed when the citizenshipâs application is denied!
I would not compare CdT with the citizenshipâs requirement for minors.
For CdT: at least there is a written law.
For citizenshipâs requirement for minors: there is no written law regarding the language certificate as a concrete proof of connection to the country. If you can post a link of IRN mentioning about language certificates for kids, please post it here. I am happy to learn.
IRN doesnât say it is required, just that is one way to have a presumption of connection.
Also I believe the text doesnât say 5 years in school, just enrollment in school.
What text did you read ?
Decreto-Lei n.Âș 26/2022, de 18 de março, Artigo 56.Âș
4 - A ConservatĂłria dos Registos Centrais presume que existe ligação efetiva Ă comunidade nacional quando, no momento do pedido, o interessado, que seja menor ou maior acompanhado que careça de representação para o ato, resida legalmente em territĂłrio portuguĂȘs nos cinco anos imediatamente anteriores ao pedido e, sendo menor em idade escolar, comprove ainda a frequĂȘncia escolar em estabelecimento de ensino em territĂłrio portuguĂȘs.
It is nice to have a written law.
You are right. Iâve checked again the IRNâs website and it seems to me that they removed the â5 years in schoolâ. Now they only mention about âschoolâ. So, there is a possibility here. But I might be 100% wrong. It is very challenging to figure out exactly how IRN has been considering. We do not have enough datas to conclude anything.
Lol. This is exact law I posted about earlier, along with the exact opinion issued by IRN in 2022. Why is this such a surprise?
This whole discussion started because someone posted that 5 years of GV is enough for citizenship.?!?
I have 2 daughters ages 15 and 17, and my citizenship application has been pending for almost a year. We purchased an apartment in Lisbon in 2018 for our GV qualification.
My daughters have had GV residency since 2019 (currently on their 3rd residency card) and I was told by my attorneys that after my citizenship is approved then my daughters do not need an A2 language certificate provided they have not turned 18 at the time of their citizenship applications. However, if my oldest turns 18 before I obtain citizenship then she will have to submit A2 certificate with her application. My attorneys have stated numerous times that their 5+ years of residency in Portugal with an apartment in Lisbon is a sufficient connection to Portugal as long as they are minors. They have both traveled extensively throughout Portugal including Madeira and the Azores, but I was told that additional proof of a connection will not be necessary since they have had valid GV residency since 2019 and documented the minimum stay requirements. There seems to be a lot of strong opinions on this topic, and members who have been given a range of answers to this very important question.
This is my understanding of the current law as it applies to GV citizenship applicants 18 or older:
Have you been legally residing in Portugal for at least five years?
These conditions only apply if you have been legally resident in Portugal for at least five years and are over 18 years old (or legally emancipated).
Conditions
You can acquire Portuguese nationality under these conditions if:
- are over 18 years old
- has been legally resident in Portugal for at least 5 years (GV residency counts)
- knows the Portuguese language sufficiently (A2 certificate required)
And these are the requirements for GV Citizenship if a minor age 17 or younger, after one or both parents obtains Portuguese citizenship:
Are you under 18 or an adult accompanied by someone else and when you were born your mother or father did not yet have Portuguese nationality, but acquired it later?
These conditions only apply to those under 18 years of age who were born before their mother or father acquired Portuguese nationality.
Conditions
Portuguese nationality may be requested under these conditions for a person under 18 years of age and whose mother or father acquired Portuguese nationality after their birth who declares that he/she wants to acquire Portuguese nationality, using the declaration for the acquisition of Portuguese nationality and that has an effective connection to the Portuguese community.
Effective connection to the Portuguese community is automatically recognized if, when making the request:
- have been a legal resident in Portugal for 5 years (GV residency counts)
- prove that you are studying in Portugal (if you are under 18).
This does not say that a language certificate is required of minors under any circumstances, or that if a minor has not âstudied in Portugalâ that a connection cannot be proven with other evidence.
If any members have successfully obtained citizenship for their minor children, then please share your experience. I will certainly update the group with any new developments in my application.
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It is a surprise to me because i only read what it is stated in IRN website. And it is a big surprise because it was: âestĂĄ a estudar numa escola hĂĄ 5 anosâ and now the âhĂĄ 5 anosâ was removed. I am sure that the modification was done not long ago. Last year I still saw it. Therefore there is a possibility for those who want to apply and do not attend school in Portugal.
Yes, and it may be that some IRN offices are interpreting the school requirement to be met by e-ciple.
Terence, I never said that 5 years GV is sufficient as the ONLY tie to PT, I said that it is considered by many lawyers to be the BEST tie other than school attendance. My lawyer has also advised that in the absence of attending school in PT, itâs sensible to show a bunch of other ties too - basically to strengthen your case. Language is not required for younger children. My lawyer went away and checked this out. If my child was a teen at the time, I would definitely also have them do the junior CIPLE, but mine will not be that age.
Every lawyer I have spoken to has said that attending a Portuguese school is not a MUST have for a minor to apply for citizenship. How can it be if being resident is itself not a requirement? Attending school is instead an automatic presumption of a tie. Basically, if the child of a PT citizen is attending a PT school then you donât need to worry about any other tie.
I am sorry, perhaps I misunderstood. There were some comments that language test isnât required, and others implied that ARI/GV counts as (the) connection. (Of course it does.) I felt it was important to highlight the law requires schooling in Portugal. Whether that is enforced or not is another matter.